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[–]Doobeedoo661 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I know you didn’t reply to my post but you raise interesting points, namely peer pressure, brainwashing etc. My issue is, if as a society we keep on blaming all the outward temptations and influences, doesn’t this play right into the notion of infantilisation of women? We must protect and guide women as they’re incapable of making good choices for themselves, that’s my interpretation when we blame everything but individual responsibility.

I’m simply not buying spitting, choking and slapping has become normalised. I’m more inclined to believe these girls and boys have ferocious personality flaws that have been nurtured by neglect and likely substance abuse. It should be instinctive that you fight your way out of these kinds of abuse - not negotiate your limits with your partner. I can’t think of any other species that would surrender to this sort of treatment outside of a cage or laboratory.

We as women have access to so many positive role models now days, willingly subjecting yourself to strangulation, slapping and so on is a personal choice. Let’s not call these women victims, there’s real victims out there that truly have no choice.

[–]slushpilot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's one thing to see porn & articles like this as an adult once you've had the chance to grow up and experience some normal relationships. You can roll your eyes and brush it off easily.

It's another thing to see it at 13 or whatever, and see it everywhere before you can put any of it in context with your own experience & realize that it's not actually normal.

You can call it "infantilizing" and talk about personal responsibility, but I'd bet the worst impact of this stuff is actually on children who are just figuring things out. Even if they're not abused or have other problems, girls can be lonely and say they enjoy the things they believe are expected of them.

[–]Doobeedoo661 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I anticipated the prepubescent aspect. This is where parents should step up to the plate, where a lot of the blame should probably be laid. I guess it’s survival of the fittest in the end, cause I can’t see the world changing fast enough to ensure everyone’s safety in which porn is no longer readily available. Everyone gets lonely, but to seek out companionship with abusers is a whole level of defective behaviour way beyond my pay grade.

[–]OrneryStruggle 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It's disgusting that you're saying something like this on a feminist forum. Preteens very rarely knowingly "seek out" companionship with abusers. You don't know someone is an abuser by looking at them. Jesus what a disgusting thing to say.

[–]crazyangryfemale 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you!! There’s nothing for someone like this on a feminist-based forum.