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[–]MarkTwainiac 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

My heart breaks for what youngsters like this guy have gone through because of this genderism cult, but I'm so glad he has arrived at a place of such insight and is speaking out. I hope he shares more.

I think it's very significant that he's gay and also says he has autogynephilia. My sense is that pretty much all the boys and young men with cross-sex fantasy fever nowadays have AGP; seems it's no longer a condition primarily found amongst het males.

[–]sisterinsomnia 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Once I began doing research into this whole thing (because of the lock-down), I spent lots of time on various trans sites. AGP is clearly extremely common, based on what many on those sites discuss, such as getting an erection from wearing a dress. If a TIM with AGP fights for access to spaces where women are naked then it is pretty likely that the fight is because of AGP, and that all the women in those spaces become involuntary participants in that person's sexual fetish. Yet this possibility can't be talked about at all as it is seen as transphobic.

[–]IAmSatan[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, it's pretty disgusting to be honest. Also reeks of misogyny that they feel like they have an "obvious" right to it.

[–]IAmSatan[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

My speculation is that gay men weren't "shocking" anyone if they behave and dress stereotypically feminine or androgynous (in fact, most were found out to be gay because of it). I think many found a way to express their AGP that way. With more acceptance and visibility of regular gays the "masc" culture is pushing feminine gays out and they start to think that the TRA has it correct - they must "convert" to achieve full satisfaction.

If you look at a stereotypical gay guy they aren't really... women-like. It's a stereotype of what they think a woman is like. Drag culture is another expression of this.

[–]MarkTwainiac 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I agree with you. I've always thought a lot of "flamboyant" gay men who like to dress and act in stereotypically "feminine" ways - "feminine" as defined by the male gaze and male mind and twisted to suit male sexuality, that is - have AGP, or elements of it - just as they have many narcissistic traits.

Ray Blanchard's taxonomy dividing male trans into two broad [sic -LOL] categories - heterosexual males with AGP, and gay males with internalized misogyny and an attraction to straight men (HSTS) - has been widely (mis)interpreted to mean that no HSTS males have AGP. But my understanding is that from the start, sexologists have observed that a good number of HSTSs have AGP as well.

Men who were transvestites FT or PT used to be very common amongst gay men, just as a small number of gay men have been transsexuals since CSH, androgen blockers and "sex change" or rather sex mimicry surgeries became a thing. But now all the men who in the past would've been simply transvestites have rebranded themselves to a man as transgender, and the definition of transgender has been broadened to include both transvestites and transsexuals and a whole bunch of others such as people with kinks and edgy haircuts.

However, it's only been very recently that transvestites, transsexuals and men with kinks and a host of mental disorders in vast numbers have started claiming that they actually are women and demanding that they must be recognized as such and given access to female-only spaces, services, programs and sports - and centered in feminism to boot.

My own impression from closely observing the scene since the 1960s is that the sea change we're seeing today is not because gay "masc" culture has started pushing feminine gays out.

Back in the 1960s, 70s, 80s and 90s, gay male culture and communities had room for all sorts: the transvestites co-existed with the leather boys, the bears, and the vast majority of gay men who back then, like today, were "normal" appearing and acting fellas who didn't stand out in any obvious way. In the late 20th century, as the Village People's song "Macho Man" and the work of Mapplethorpe shows, tons of gay men were hyper-masc. But they co-existed easily with the preppies and yuppies, the drag queens, the ball scene boys, and all the hyper-feminine "swishes" who were PT or FT transvestites like Jared Leto's fictional Rayon in "Dallas Buyers' Club" or similar real-life figures like the marvelous and gorgeous Marilyn Peter Robinson and the endearing Patrick McCabe of "Breakfast In Pluto" fame.

I don't think gay masc men have pushed the transvestites out of male gay culture. I think what's happened and is happening has more to do with the spread of regressive gender ideology and transgressive queer theory; the dominance of Big Pharma in the post-Prozac era when psychiatry has adopted an ethos of medicating away all discomfort rather than working through it in talk therapy; the normalization of cosmetic surgeries and endless body modifications; social media; internet pornography and "sissification" fantasies; social isolation; cosplay, LARPing and gaming, etc.

I also think that all along male transvestites keenly observed the favorable treatment given to early-70s era transsexuals like James Jan Morris and Richard Raskin Renee Richards, and saw how easily those men were allowed to make inroads into women's spaces, sports and services. So they decided to seize the opportunity and follow suit. Out of misogyny, envy, covetousness, opportunism, and male entitlement and supremacy.

[–]SanityIsGC 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Heart-breaking and so fucking infuriating that such a young person has been so messed up by ideologues. Fucking bastards.

[–]IAmSatan[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, add money to that and you got yourself a cult like movement that's "too big to fail". :L

[–]sisterinsomnia 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are so many victims of the extremes the trans movement has gone already. And there will be many more before the movement is done:

Not only the bodies damaged and fertility lost of those young people whom the trans online cult convinced to transition when it wasn't the right decision for them, but also our ability to even talk about sexism and other forms of sex-based oppression.

[–]IAmSatan[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, "taboos" like detrans and questioning the validity of "Gender Dysphoria" sure don't make it better. :/