A blue check saying that WOC are masculine so it is RACIST to believe transwomen are not women and only RACISTS feel that way... This makes me feel amazing as a black woman!

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[–]chrysthefeminist 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

And why do men always feel so comfortable defining womanhood?

Their most revered religious tracts, the Old Testament of the Christians / the Torah of the Jews, dating from far earlier than the birth of Christ, defined women as the second created, who were created solely as companions and helpmates ("meets") for men. And to this day, as we have seen, men are trying to confine us to that role, as being solely for them and not for ourselves. This is true not only of conservative "religious" men, but of the most "progressive", left wing, atheists, "feminists", "trans women", the whole mess of men. This shows the human male sex is completely irredeemable, and we'd really be better off without them.

[–]lestratege 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Their most revered religious tracts, the Old Testament of the Christians / the Torah of the Jews, dating from far earlier than the birth of Christ, defined women as the second created, who were created solely as companions and helpmates ("meets") for men.

That is ONE of the narrative in Genesis. There are TWO stories of the creation of humans in Genesis, one says (Genesis 1-27):

So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

[–]chrysthefeminist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So what? The version I mentioned still exists and is the model society has been built on, and is the one most people know. Besides, whichever version, it still holds a "he" as the supreme creator, which is a Supreme Ho Hum.

[–]lestratege 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So what? The version I mentioned still exists and is the model society has been built on, and is the one most people know.

Not really. Gen 1-27 is a quote very well known in many languages, for example "Homme et femme il les créa".

Besides, whichever version, it still holds a "he" as the supreme creator, which is a Supreme Ho Hum.

In the English version. Can English speaking people stop projecting issues of their own language upon the rest of the world and pretend that it is a general issue? First off, the original Hebrew does not have a pronoun subject, so your argument that "He" is written is language dependent, but I guess if it is English, then it must be for the rest of the world right? There is no subject pronoun in the original Hebrew as it is a language like Japanese and many others that does not require a subject. The subject "He" is added in English because English is a language that requires a subject.

Second, "He" refers to a male, but there are plenty of languages whose pronouns do not refer to sex, French for example, where a male can be refer to a "She" if you use a feminine word (the proper meaning of gender which is grammatical gender).

So can you please stop ascribing to humanity what is specific to English. And that should actually tell you that your argument is incorrect since Jewish and Christian beliefs developed long before English was used. So saying "the Bible says HE" so it is patriarchy, is a nonsensical argument because first it is false (there is no subject in Hebrew), and second it is an English based argument which considerably restrict its scope.

[–]chrysthefeminist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are you telling me that people who don't speak English don't interpret their religions patriarchally and it's just my "narrow minded projection" of "issues" peculiar to English that causes me to think they are patriarchal when they aren't? Get out of here.

[–]lestratege 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am saying that saying that a religion is patriarchal because in English it uses he as pronoun for God is a silly argument.