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[–]missdaisycan 102 insightful - 13 fun102 insightful - 12 fun103 insightful - 13 fun -  (0 children)

Darn right! And years ago we used to yell "get out, pervert", while swinging purses, umbrellas, anything at hand. Bring back THAT practice. Women before fetishists!

[–]Spikygrasspod 81 insightful - 6 fun81 insightful - 5 fun82 insightful - 6 fun -  (19 children)

Newspeak for "women are evil for refusing to get naked with men".

[–]Shesstealthy 75 insightful - 5 fun75 insightful - 4 fun76 insightful - 5 fun -  (39 children)

What I would like to know is this. Why is it totally ok and understandable to ask women to remove or hide reminders of female biological function because it distresses trans women so much?

But NOT OK to ask trans women to remove or hide reminders of male biological function because it distresses women who have been raped or otherwise harmed by male-bodied people?

Look TBH I don't like changing in front of other females that much and I'd sadly be a bit more on edge if I knew that woman was a lesbian. It would be even MORE uncomfortable if that person was a boner owner.

[–]sisterinsomnia 58 insightful - 1 fun58 insightful - 0 fun59 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

Because the trans movement is not about rights and equality for an oppressed and small minority. I used to think it was, but it is now pretty clear that the movement is about them being the rulers who define everything and make all the rules. Thus, TIMs want not only to be treated as women but as the best of all women, the most womanlike creatures ever. Because they see themselves like that, anything they want to do is justified and denying them anything is transphobia. They want to cavort naked with other 'girls,' they want to keep their penises which are to be called girldicks now because it is they who define what is female.

And mentioning biological sex is transphobic because it messes up with their plans. Indeed, the existence of biological female sex is in itself transphobic. Hence we now read about biological sex being complicated, perhaps a spectrum, even socially constructed. But an inner gender identity as a woman is perfectly valid even though nobody can look at it, verify its existence, or measure it.

You can see how this is a takeover attempt when you realize that the word 'woman' now means absolutely nothing while the word 'man' still means what it always meant, how we can only talk about biological sex issues if we humbly call ourselves uterus-havers so that 'woman' is still something TIMs perfectly and best qualify for. Even 'female' now cannot be used to talk about biologically female human beings, because TIMs are ruling that they are female human beings.

So there is now no way of writing about traditional women's issues at all that would be acceptable to the wokerati. All our words are being taken away.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

Anyone want to investigate whether Incels are joining TRA’s to gain access to women’s bodies?

[–]sisterinsomnia 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I have seen some anecdotal (and online!) evidence that some are doing this, but not so much for gaining access to women's bodies per se, but for gaining access to the unlimited amounts of sex they believe all women enjoy all day long. Now how many people that might be is unclear.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]Greykittymomma 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What did I just read? If my brother or son stole my property to jerk off in I would get them out of my house. It is more than dress up, that's pervert territory. We must protect our daughters from men like this. Sick fucks!! "I love being choked, love fantasizing about rape, love sucking dick, can I be a woman now???"

[–]3MistersAndAMissy 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Reddit had a sub like that called TransMaxxing. It talked about becoming trans to fet sexual access to women amd social standing. The TRA’s hates it because it was so blatant

However, It was still up even after GC was taken down.

Imma go look and see if the r still there.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Please do and send us a link

[–]Porphyria 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The mods of Reddit probably don’t even know either that some people are pretending to be trans to get lesbians to have sex with them. Tell the mods

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay. Report it

[–]SameOldBS 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for summarising so well the thoughts I've been having. I'm honestly coming to the conclusion that most TIMs want to eliminate and subjugate natal women. Many are insanely competitive, and project all sorts of idiotic stuff onto women, such as we're jealous of their womanly power and so on. It amazes me that so many women - and men - can't see this.

[–]RestingWitchface 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But NOT OK to ask trans women to remove or hide reminders of male biological function because it distresses women who have been raped or otherwise harmed by male-bodied people?

Fixed it for you. If women's boundaries were respected from the get-go, we wouldn't have rape and sexual trauma. Safe spaces should not be reserved for those who have been violated in the past.

[–]YoutiaoLover 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I 100% agree with everything you said! Also, I hate changing/getting naked in front of other women/girls, I won't even undress in front of my mom unless there's no choice. A guy would have to walk over my dead body before I undress in front of him.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The more I think about the logic, the more I see Incel rhetoric. Anyone want to do some investigating to see if any Incels are apart of the trans woman movement for their own gains?

[–]Sittingonarainbow 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The bulk of TIMs are autogynaphiles, so even if they are not incels, they are fetishists who get off on invading women's spaces.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the link, there are guys stating that they could have autogynephilia (forgot which one), then there are guys doing it for transmaxxing, and others for other reasons

[–]OrneryStruggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a very good point that doesn't get made often enough and thank you for reminding me of it. I think we often miss this rebuttal because things like this are so creepy and wrong on their face the first reaction is just horror, but there is also a deep hypocrisy happening in TRA movements where women are asked to feel increasing shame around our bodies for the benefit of TIMs while TIMs also expect women to be increasingly comfortable with dicks, talk about dicks, etc. Both, they claim, are for their own validation or acceptance in society, but this only makes sense in a context where males are the only people who matter.

[–][deleted] 38 insightful - 6 fun38 insightful - 5 fun39 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Their utter lack of self-reflection and inability to empathize or to have any understandIng of how women might feel, almost makes me believe that they might, might be...men.

Men with a penis. Not demonizing, just stating the biological reality.

[–]onesundaymorning 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

NOBODY SHOULD FEEL COMPELLED TO UNDRESS IN FRONT OF ANYONE ELSE. THIS IS FUCKING MADNESS.

[–]motionlessoracle 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If that's how you feel when you enter a woman's space and women are skeptical about you, then own that feeling. Take responsibility for it and reflect on it. I'm not responsible for how you feel. I will not take responsibility for how you feel.

[–]Realwoman 24 insightful - 6 fun24 insightful - 5 fun25 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Alao, if you don't let transwomen put their girl dicks in you after you undress in public, you're just a transphobe

[–]dandeliondynasty 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You know that group Bikers Against Child Abuse that protects abused children as they testify in court? Maybe we need a similar group to protect women, especially sexual assault survivors, from predators in locker rooms.

[–]sisterinsomnia 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So let me get this right. It is okay for a woman to refuse to undress in an enclosed space with an adult naked bepenised person if that person is not getting undressed out of a dress, but not okay if that person is getting undressed out of a dress, everything else being exactly the same?

I have recently noticed how TRAs, at least online, have zero empathy with natal women. Zero.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

CAN YOU FIT THIS ON TERFISASLUR PLEASE! Make a new subpage called “Sexual Harassment” or abuse or whatever and PUT IT IN THERE

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“Predatory Behaviour” idk. SOMETHING. AND PUT THE PICTURE THERE

[–]Anandamide 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Normally, I attempt some level of wit or verbosity, try for a riposte to sting or joke to elicit a bit of laugh at the absurdity. In this case, though, all my brain says is OH FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUU. The sheer entitlement and manipulative bullshit!!...and to think there might well be girls who haven't yet been hardened to such obvious and clumsy guilt-trippy nonsense and would let themselves be shamed into doing something they weren't really comfortable with just to be "nice" just pisses me off. Fuck this male entitlement shit.

[–]jkfinn 17 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

The #MeToo list just multiplied 10-fold. That’s right, 10,000 TiMs impersonating women by day and Harvey Weinstein by night.

[–]Jalaces 16 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Wow I never knew I was demonizing everyone I meet by remaining clothed in their presence.

[–]inneedofspace 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I read the thread I'm wondering if this user is a troll but since you can't tell these days, I'll just say.. I've known for a while now that mras are backing trans rights because they are men's rights to female spaces, you think transwomen are ever going to call people like this out? It seems strange they spend most of their energy bullying women, a lot of tras are also mras and using oppressed men to push their narratives that women have all the privilege in society. Unless you grew up with a female body you can't understand why women will never feel completely comfortable undressing in front of any man. I remember a conservative transwoman on youtube patronized women who grew being afraid of men, said they didn't have that fear because they do have a penis, you know how other transwomen responded? With butt hurt comments because they were compared to men stated, they also have these new found fears as adults! no mention of the little girls/women who've lived with these issues for the majority of our lives.

You know I guess my biggest peak trans moment was realizing no matter how much transwomen id with womanhood or women they will always stand up for men because biologically they have to those are their rights. I know this may sound toxic but I'm starting to believe men can't be feminist (they can be allies), it seems hard if not impossible to stand up for women's rights if it may effect you or "demonize" a guy for something that mostly only men do.

[–]VioletRemi 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

People who demand something will always demand more - no matter how much you give them. It is always best way to give them nothing.

[–]Shinjin_Nana 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Never pay the Danegeld. The Dane never goes away.

[–]Fraeulein 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

So, is being uncomfortable with undressing in front of strangers in general means I'm demonizing everyone? Or is it just TW who need to see my tits?

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The more I read it, the more it comes off as Incel-y

[–]Daraincork 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is so gross...is it real? It seems to encapsulate the case against self certification very neatly.

[–]PressSnoozeWoke 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess I'm demonizing them then. This is absolutely disgusting. Nothing is ever enough.

In some ways, I wish I was completely ignorant to this nonsense. So frustrating.

[–]Blank-out 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Such bs, I know some of my guy friends don't like using the urinals in front of other guys or at all. No one has ever accused them of being homophobic. Everyone has boundaries regarding other people these incels need to get over it and leave women the fk alone.

[–]Amareldys 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why wouldn't that be true of other males, though?

[–]Shinjin_Nana 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And the new Olympic category is..... Rapey Behavior! This is a sport is looks like TiMs will excel at, even when competing against other men!

[–]venecia 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have the right to refuse to undress in front of anyone, for any time, for any reason. If it's another woman or another ''woman'' creeping me out or making me uncomfortable is no matter.

Don't justify yourselves to these predators and their enablers. Your boundaries matter.