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[–]firebird 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I'm sure what I'm about to say is not going to be making me very popular, but I've seen some comments when it comes to race that wouldn't look at all out of place in a community like, say, TIA. So I'd say she isn't entirely wrong.

I agree that the rest misses the mark, though.

[–]InvisibleWoman[S] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

There's been a lot of talk about racism in our communities and I wouldn't say it's completely off base either, but then again, a young white woman in a European country saying feminism is about sexual liberation is also being inadvertently racist.

We can all definitely work on trying to understand problems from different perspectives. I wouldn't say we're white supremacists, however .

[–]firebird 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Good point on the inadvertent racism. Did anyone else comment on that part of the post? Because plenty of times these things go unchallenged here as well, so I understand that there are women saying they don't feel welcome in our community. Then they leave to start their own communities, making this one poorer as a result because eventually you get only one perspective remaining and nobody ever learns anything new.

[–]InvisibleWoman[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Nobody really commented anything other than a variation of "yas grl" to her...

You're totally right, though, weakened as we are, our community keeps fragmenting. I know we're supposed to be looking forward and finding a way to make ourselves heard and understood but I don't even know how anymore.

[–]firebird 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

All we can probably do is keep moving forward, keep trying. Attempt to build bridges to make our community stronger again.

For what it's worth, this post was good in that regard. You explained your perspective even though you were angry. And I certainly appreciate the sentiment of wanting to be allies, not enemies.

[–]InvisibleWoman[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks, it's nice to hear that, actually. We keep going, then.

[–]Veneficca 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I agree somewhat, but I see far worse in liberal feminist communities. There tends to be a very condescending "othering" of women of color, and an assumption that all feminists - even all women - are white middle-class+ Americans. Their silence toward TIM's comparisons of black women and TIMs speaks volumes.

I've also seen radfems accused of being racist simply for criticizing Islam or acknowledging that male violence is a global problem, rather than just "cishet white men."

[–]firebird 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

While you are completely right on every point of criticism, it's not actually going to fix anything. Patting ourselves on the back for not being as bad as some other group is not going to improve our own community. Maybe this is my perfectionist nature talking, but I think there's always room for improvement and leading the conversation in a different direction when criticism is brought up is not going to get us there.

[–]Veneficca 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We can address misrepresentations of radical feminism and try to improve at the same time. This post's conversation is about inaccuracies in depictions of radical feminism. I won't be silent when that happens and I will continue to point out liberal feminists' hypocrisy.

[–]firebird 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If those were your intentions, I'm going to be honest and say that they would have come across more clearly if you'd just replied directly to the post instead of to my comment. Especially since at this point I've already made it clear that I agree on everything else, so to me it genuinely felt like you were trying to derail the point I was trying to make.

[–]Veneficca 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, that wasn't my intention.

[–]mangosplums 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you have any examples of the comments? I haven’t seen them and I’m curious.

[–]firebird 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

An example would be the "white people are the real victims these days" types of comments. Very similar to how there are always men complaining about how they're worse off than women these days and how feminists just want to be superior. I'd rather not get more specific than that because my intent was never to target specific people.

One of the people who replied to me on this thread did a much better job at explaining things so I can recommend reading her comment as well.

[–]mangosplums 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the response. “White people are the real victims these days” comments are gross, I really don’t like when people in gendercritical spout gross conservative views. Unfortunately we have a few of those here.