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[–]terfy_delight 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Biden never said his VP will be a Black woman. He said his VP will be a woman. How do you feel about him committing to having a woman VP, in general?

I'd be fine with it, just like Im fine with him saying he'd choose a woman. There are many capable, intelligent Black women who are more than qualified. Im fine with one of them being VP over another mediocre White man. If we dont push for and support women being in power, then we're fine with the status quo. Im not.

[–]medium_tomato[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I said this to another commenter but my main dislike was that it was going to be a woman. Do I wish it was a woman? Yes but I never want it to be like this. Other commenters here have said things much more eloquently but I dislike that he is announcing this stuff right off the bat. Before we know the individual pick or the nominees he has reduced them to their sex and maybe race. Or the fact that they are not white. Like to me it's like having them be interchangeable objects to help him prop up his ladder. Different women have very different opinions and things they would prioritize as VP or maybe even president. There are a number of female politicians whose stances I very much disagree with and would not want her, that particular woman, to be president.

Also as another good commenter said, this woman may be qualified but by announcing it like this, and only choosing her from a tiny specific pool of possible picks, Biden already reduced her as a token pick to be scrutinized for that reason. I don't like this, I think it reflects badly on female politicians and just dirties up the efforts.

[–]terfy_delight 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I disagree. I see a huge disparity between women and men leaders. I'm okay with vocalizing that there's a disparity and vocalizing that he will do this small part to address that. Although, I thought we had too many candidates, I was very proud and happy to see the diversity of candidates campaigning for the nomination. And then at the end we're left with two old white men, not bc theyre the best, but bc everyone was so much harder on the women and poc. Mayor Pete made it far, but do you think a woman with his lack of qualifications would even be standing on the stage that late in the game. A unicorn politician doesn't exist and a vote is not a lottery ticket.

We were left with two old white men- one who half the time can't keep his words straight and the other who only knows one vague stump speech, and somehow we end up with this reflects badly on women. How about let's continue to work on normalizing seeing women in powerful political positions first. The only way we do that is by recognizing - and vocalizing- its a problem and pushing to fix it. I read the comments and I'm disappointed that the posters can look at the women who he's considering, and then reduce them to tokens. Biden hasn't done that. Its the assumption here that woman or Black woman is somehow in conflict with good candidate. These women are more than qualified, and they won't be getting this position bc they are a woman. They'll be getting this position bc theyre qualified and we've prioritizing making sure qualified women arent shut out and passed over for another mediocre white man.

There are a number of female politicians whose stances I very much disagree with and would not want her, that particular woman, to be president.

Our choices for president are Biden and Trump, and Trump's VP is Pence. We're beyond the point of our ideal candidate. Biden's woman VP will be the most competent person on this ticket.

[–]medium_tomato[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I understand what you are saying but even with being a feminist my whole life I just can't say that someone would be the most competent just because they are the same sex as me. Especially when we are discussing it like this, talking about some interchangeable woman instead of an individual. I don't want a female leader like this. I don't need women to be thrown a bone. If black women want this bone just for a token candidate that's nice I guess, but I can't respect that and I don't want that demeaning shit. I don't want pathetic affirmative action for women. Like you said, we had a huge diversity of candidates before and that's great to see. That's the only way I want a woman to win. Pandering suggests we can't do it.

Also there more you force X kind of people, the more flack they will get for being forced. Like I said I think in the end Biden's way is ultimately setting up women for failure not himself. My question was what do you think about Biden announcing his pick in such a manner. I don't doubt women are capable. I just hate how we are being set up to be seen as weaker token picks that need this.

[–]terfy_delight 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also there more you force X kind of people, the more flack they will get for being forced.

Women will always get shit and viewed negatively for breaking barriers. I legitimately don't care at all what men think. I dont see myself thru their lens anymore (thanks to radical feminism).

My question was what do you think about Biden announcing his pick in such a manner.

I watched that debate. I watched two old white men, one who half the time cant keep their words straight and the other who answered every question with the same exact stump speech. I knew that one of these men were going to be up against Trump and Pence. When Biden said his VP would be a woman, I thought good. I also thought this woman would be vetted so hard, she would be the most competent person on the ticket, and I thought that was sad bc its so easy for mediocre white men to coast, while women have to be twice as good. That's how I felt.

I actually have a lot of angry feminist ranting related to this...but I dont want to derail the thread.