Peak Peak: TRAs sabotage their supporters

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[–]Yayme 55 insightful - 1 fun55 insightful - 0 fun56 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Debate with a TRA always boils down to the following issues -

"You can't debate the issues because you're harming trans people by talking about it." What an insidious way to get your agenda through.

We're supposed to believe that a person who identifies as Xer is doing it in good faith, while Piers is assumed to be identifying as a two-spirit penguin for malicious reasons.

I also always love "When trans people tell you they feel something, believe them." But when you point out that actual women feel in danger with them in their spaces, they hand wave it away as women being drama queens.

If you ask if TIMS should be allowed to participate win women's sports, you're questioning their "right to exist." Playing rugby is not synonymous with existing.

If you talk about having separate bathrooms they scream "BLACK WOMEN!"

Absolutely nothing about what they say is honest. It's all an appeal to emotion.

[–]ekitten 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They tell people not to read gender critical feminists arguments in case it converts them, lol.

I actually feel saying that they hand wave it away as women being drama queens is being very generous. I've always seen them accuse women of being disgusting TERFs and become vitriolic, or at best accuse us of "fear-mongering".

An infuriating thing about the TIMs in women's sports debate is a lot of headlines frame it as if we're calling for trans people to be banned from sports. No one is saying that! We're just saying trans people should compete with their biological sex – we are saying trans males shouldn't be able to compete in female categories, not that trans males should also be banned from male categories. Jeez.

Yeah I've noticed they often compare trying to keep transwomen from women's bathrooms to racial segregation and homophobia (keeping black women and lesbians from the women's restrooms). Except they are the ones being racist and homophobic by comparing black women and lesbians to males.

Their arguments ALWAYS fall apart because they're illogical and bigoted.

[–]Yayme 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah I've noticed they often compare trying to keep transwomen from women's bathrooms to racial segregation

They do this specifically because racial segregation is such a huge stain on America's history. But they're ignoring that racial segregation included swimming pools, libraries, schools, buses, lunch counters, drinking fountains, AND bathrooms.

And not only were the facilities for black people were far inferior to the white bathrooms, they were also not very many of them. They intentionally had a limited number of bathrooms for black people, to keep them away from town. If you can't pee while you travel, then you pretty much can't travel. Also, black men and black women had to share the same bathroom.

Everything about racial segregation was designed to make black people feel inferior to white people. Not letting TIMS in women's bathrooms is not to "make them feel inferior." There is a bathroom right next door to the women's bathroom that is just as well designed as the women's and is perfectly usable. They're not being asked to hold it in for hours and hours in order to limit their travel and keep them out of public spaces. They're just being asked to use the sex-appropriate bathroom.

To say that it's discrimination would mean that ALL men are being discriminated against - that we are supplying them with inferior bathrooms intentionally, to make sure they know their place.

It's such a dishonest argument to compare it to racial segregation.

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    [–]Yayme 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Women have spent decades trying to get to where we want in society - where we don't have to stay home and raise children, where we can be accepted for not looking like a sex-doll, where we can be educated.

    Men have done nothing to support each other, or to make changes in the way they are "allowed" to behave in soceity. And now there's such a huge population of men who want to jump ship and become "women" and take advantage of everything we've fought for.

    Maybe they should work to make "men" more inclusive of what they want.

    Because they are NOT women, they are men. And all of their arguments rely on believing the original life - TWAW.

    But I do agree with everything you said.

    [–]Sittingonarainbow 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I disagree that they want to take advantage of everything we fought for; it seems to me that they want to drag women back to all of those old stereotypes and limitations we broke free from.