Administration's shelter policy invokes TRA rage

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https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/huox32/trump_administration_memo_explains_how_to_spot_a/

Single sex spaces are not the handmaidens' to give away. Anyone male especially if they are pre-op or self-id needs to be referred to other shelters. Why must a women's shelter prioritize males and alienate the vulnerable population they serve? It also sounds like they are giving shelters the choice between going by birth sex or not so it's not like all of them are now female only. What a world where Trump is defending women's spaces and the left is telling women that the definition of woman is hate speech.

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[–]Nona_Biba 36 insightful - 4 fun36 insightful - 3 fun37 insightful - 4 fun -  (21 children)

LMAO at the people at 2x comparing this to trying to weed out muslims and jews based on looks. Honey....Most transwomen do NOT pass that well. Even the famous well passing ones are heavily made up and utilize all the best filters and camerawork. There is ONE that I probably wouldn't be able to tell if I met him in person- and he's had tons of surgeries. Something the average homeless person probably won't be able to get. It'll be easier than you think to take one look at a transwoman and realize that they are male vs what religion they are.

And SMH at all the self hating women that think having some facial hair means that they would be denied housing in a female shelter. I think most of us have had an old Aunt Edna who had a few whiskers on her chin...But even as children we ~somehow~ knew she was a woman! For the love of god have a TINY bit more faith in your fellow humans.

[–]yishengqingwa666 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

None of them pass.

[–]Shinjin_Nana 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Gandalf is the bouncer....

[–]GConly 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Nah. I've seen a couple, but they were very effeminate HSTS who'd been on female hormones since puberty.

[–]aqrylix 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even they require tons of surgery to "mature" into their female-adjacent looks.

[–]shveya 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol I laughed at the first comment saying “they stop short of checking people’s genitals!!1” as if that was even necessary.

[–]MezozoicGay 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And SMH at all the self hating women that think having some facial hair means that they would be denied housing in a female shelter

From what I saw, it is mostly transomen and men advocating for this, not women with PCOS.

On other hand I saw enough women with testosterone problems (I helped my friend in non-profit organization in our city, helping women with PCOS) and a lot of them actually were calling themselves a failure and putting all the blame on themselves (reminds islam, actually), as society tought them that it is always women fault. If husband beating her - it is "her fault" by eyes of the society. And sometimes I was invited to give them advices and help them to stop blaming themselves, aka to show them how men are tought to overcome problems, that blame is sometimes not on yourself but on people around (but often men are taking it to extreme, that blame is ALWAYS is outside, and women taking that blame is always is inside, while it is not true in both cases).

And this difference is visible even in transmen and transwomen. When transmen invading our gay men spaces, and we refusing them, they are almost always saying "it is because you find my vagina ugly? I am not passing enough?" and so on. At the same time when transwomen are invading lesbian women spaces, it is always "they just hate all dicks, they were sexual abused or something and afraid, we are passing and they are ugly" and similar. Socialization means a lot.

[–]aqrylix 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seriously these people are delusional. If you're a woman, you're more likely to encounter Jessica Yaniv in your restroom than this mythical passing transwoman unicorn.

[–]Realwoman 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even for women with serious hormone issues and a lot of facial hair, their facial hair is still different from that of men. I have been doing electrolysis sessions and I've almost made friends with the tech and she's told me men's hair is a totally different beast and requires different settings, their skin is different and all that.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Tangentially, I found this from your link. It probably deserves its own post. I wonder what happened to the study they mentioned or if it's still ongoing. https://www.statnews.com/2016/12/20/transgender-youth-doctors-clinics/

Chicago’s Lurie Children’s Hospital, for example, opened its trans clinic just four years ago but already has 500 patients — and a four-month waiting list. Seattle Children’s Hospital opened its clinic in October and immediately got scores of calls. Olson-Kennedy’s clinic, the Center for Transyouth Health and Development at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles, is the country’s largest, treating 725 trans youth from across the western US. Five hundred of those patients are Olson-Kennedy’s.

Her youngest patient is 3.

“It’s not OK to do nothing.”

Not all doctors agree with the approach of Olson-Kennedy and her colleagues. Some think young patients will grow out of their gender dysphoria, or that children should wait until they are 18 to make critical gender decisions. Many would simply like to see data on whether delaying puberty and allowing children to transition at younger ages is safe and healthy for them in the long run.

Olson-Kennedy is hoping to oblige. In 2015, she and three other leading trans youth doctors received the first NIH grant given to study transgender youth. The $5.7 million, five-year study will look at nearly 300 youth, some who received puberty-blocking hormones and others who took masculinizing or feminizing hormones after puberty. Teams at children’s hospitals in L.A., San Francisco, Boston, and Chicago have recruited patients and are now collecting data to evaluate the effect of treatment on mental health and determine how safe the treatments are.

The doctors think the study will prove that early treatment and puberty-blocking lead to far better long-term outcomes, making it easier for doctors and parents to accept that approach.

[–]Sittingonarainbow 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am not sure I would trust results from a researcher so obviously biased.

[–]Hard_headed_woman 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No way would I trust that research.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah not a chance. You don't go into a study hoping for the outcome that serves your agenda. What dumbass institutional review board greenlighted this? Ugh.

[–]Marsupial 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

“It’s not OK to do nothing.”

It absolutely is. Medicine takes the wait-and-see approach all the time, at least where the intention of the care is to do what's best for the patient rather than to make as much money as possible.

[–]PassionateIntensity 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think this is the study Dr Michael Laidlaw FOIA'ed in 2017? Which showed she was giving testosterone to girls as young as 8 and performing double mastectomies on 13 year old girls. Johanna Olsen-Kennedy and her FTM wife belong in prison as far as I'm concerned.

Janet Robbins did a series on it.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/06/07/feds-send-1-million-study-designed-push-transgenderism-children/

https://thefederalist.com/2018/09/12/u-s-doctors-performing-double-mastectomies-healthy-13-year-old-girls/

https://thefederalist.com/2018/09/27/federally-funded-researcher-studying-trans-children-married-trans-woman-profit-child-mutilation/

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2674039

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What freaks are donating that much money for something like this? It's immoral. All they care about is profit.

[–]denverkris 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

a 3 year old. ya, ffs.

[–]shveya 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

One woman was claiming she may get mistaken as a TIM because she has a flat chest and a deeper voice. I’m not sure which possibility is worse, her thinking she looks like a man, or her performing handmaidenism to appease the male egos that control the sub.

[–]GConly 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

One woman was claiming she may get mistaken as a TIM because she has a flat chest and a deeper voice.

What a twit. If a software program can pick out biosex in transgender peeps, I'm sure that the average human brain with millions of years of evolution behind it can do it even more accurately in a living moving human.

[–]denverkris 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and the worst part about reddit is that no one on that sub is allowed to provide a rational counterpoint. the minute you say anything about no to allowing even the most male transwoman in the place, you'll be banned and your comment removed. Might as well change the name reddit to onlineechochambersrus.

[–]uwubunny 15 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

Should be renamed to r/TwoXChromosomesPerTwoMods

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That sub has become so fucking weird.

On the rare occasion i look there, every. single. time. there is a thread about "having your tits out" and going braless. Amidst of a bunch of posts wondering why men harass women so often.

Is that an american thing or just that sub? Here in Belgium it's very trashy to wear no bra and have your tits out. But then there are a lot of tops and t shirts with thin materials here so im not sue if in the us half the time you all wearing thick hoodies.

[–]Realwoman 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In America it's considered trashy, too

[–]Marsupial 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's kind of ridiculous that it would be trashy though. It's just a bra. It being trashy is just more sexist nonsense and yes that sexism is pervasive in the US as well.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't want to see dudes dicks shapes and them wiggle in their pants just as i don't want to see womens tits flop about. Sure with some girls you don't notice but with quite a few women its like two big jello puddings flopping about. And then if they have a sheer top i can see what colour their nipples are.

Clothes are there to cover up. I don't want to see your underwear or know you aren't wearing any. I don't want to be exposed to other peoples bodies. If I want that i go to a nudist club.

It's trashy.

[–]LizLemon 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oooo hard disagree!

Breasts are not genitals. I hate when people compare breasts to penises. Compare a penis to vulva, fine. Breasts are to feed our babies. Bras are uncomfortable. Personally, my chest is small enough that there is literally no function to wearing a bra, outside of the fact that it hide the actual shape of my breasts and keeps people from being able to distinguish my nipples. Which is to say, i don't wear bras for me (outside of when I feel insecure/vulnerable/exposed because other people seem to think this is an invitation of sort.)

Also, "big jello puddings" wtf? Most women don't decide what size their breasts are, it's kinda gross to describe them like that.. Like they are food...

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You can disagree all you like. I don't want to see your tits or your vulva. Keep it covered k thx.

I used jello cause it wobbles a lot if you pick up the plate if you relate that to weird shit that is not my fault. Check your own damn brain.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, breasts are food.

[–]Shinjin_Nana 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Good for them. No more cow towing to dudes.

I am definitely interested in how this will play to the loud internet and the silent offliners. Will it be a repeat of the UK's conservative swing, or if the US more in the grip of TRA ideology.... Stay tuned and stock up on popcorn for November!

[–]WrongToy 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There's federal court precedent for this policy.

(OBLIGATORY TRIGGER WARNING, adf is conservative) i This link holds all the case documents that were filed in Hope Center v. City of Anchorage.

https://adflegal.org/case/downtown-soup-kitchen-dba-downtown-hope-center-v-municipality-anchorage

[–]GConly 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

In case we've all forgotten, here is what can happen when you allow men claiming to be transwomen into women's shelters.

https://torontosun.com/2014/02/26/predator-who-claimed-to-be-transgender-declared-dangerous-offender/wcm/fc2c70f0-b1a1-41e2-85db-bec9d0012ce5

I have lost count of the number of times I've had someone go 'there's never been a case of someone pretending to be trans to get into a shelter/prison/changing room to offend'

I usually post this plus a few of the actual TIM sex offenders for good measure.

Most people think they have female offending behaviour because of the wrong sex brain bullshit, and are quite shocked to find out otherwise.

[–]PassionateIntensity 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I thought that link was going to be Tyler Porter waving his dick around, but it's worse. It's not this case either:

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/kristi-hanna-human-rights-complaint-transgender-woman-toronto-shelter

“All of us were completely upset and flabbergasted, pretty much, and instantly all full of fear. They won’t even allow a man on the property without permission by the staff and all the residents. And we had no pre-warning of any of this. There was never any discussions. It was never mentioned. We were all just blindsided,” Hanna said. “Everyone in the house has had at some point male-enforced trauma. This is not about discrimination, this is about the safety of male-enforced trauma victims.”

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just a question: how does a homeless person maintain their transition? If you have no money, how do you buy hormones?