"he/him lesbians" are driving me mad.

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[–]oofreesouloo 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I understand where you're coming from, but I still think you're overthinking it as well. So, let's agree to disagree? I do agree that the word 'lesbophobia' should be used more often, but I'm not against the use of 'homophobia'. So, yeah.

[–]chrysthefeminist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

"Overthinking", yep, sounds like me (really). Will agree to disagree. I'm also not against the use of "homophobia" either, but my reaction was prompted by the fact that that is the word I ALWAYS see used, never "lesbophobia."

[–]oofreesouloo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If you're not against the use of 'homophobia', then, by the logic, you're also not against the use of 'homosexual', which you claim to be. (By the way, you mentioned the etimology of the word 'homosexual'. You said 'homo' means 'man' in Latin. And is the 'man' refering to the male sex or the mankind, as in, human beings in general? What about heterosexual? What does 'hetero' stand for in Latin? I'm genuinely curious)

[–]chrysthefeminist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"Homophobia" still seems like a mostly male identified term to me, but it may occasionally be used when speaking of both sexes. However I don't like it when speaking of lesbians alone for the reason I gave. I am still against the word "homosexual" for women as it has more of an ugly, clinical sound to my ears even than "homophobia". That may be highly subjective, but that's how I experience the two terms.

[–]oofreesouloo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Exactly, so you're arguing from a subjective personal point of view. It's still not objectively incorrect to use it when referring to lesbians, and that's what I mean. I actually personally prefer to say I'm homosexual than lesbian sometimes, especially in these days that people are trying to conflate sex with gender and homosexual means clearly 'same sex'. To each their own, I guess.

[–]chrysthefeminist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not "arguing from a "subjective, personal point of view." It is a FACT that these "generic" terms, such as "human being" , "person" , "homosexual" are not true generics in that they mostly refer to men and leave out women. Try reading any "history of mankind" or treatise about "the homosexual." My subjectivity consists only in my experiencing of the term "homosexual" as more ugly and clinical than the term "homophobic" for some reason.

But yes, one advantage (the only one I can think of) for the word "homosexual" is that it specifies sex, homoSEXual, not homoGENDERal.

[–]oofreesouloo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let's agree to disagree.