Shouldn't we be generally talking about trans people in general?

submitted by TheOnyxGoddess from self.GenderCritical

Hey I've been reading GenderCritical for a while and while we all agree that no one can actually "transition" why do most artists talk about Tim's and less bout TiFs? I get that maybe it's because most of those people are males (I haven't seen the statistics for that yet so I don't know if most are males), but if we're all going to talk about start subject's where we're going to talk about males trying to pass off as females, can we do more of females trying to pass off as males as they're also perpetuating the trans ideology too? It sometimes this sub feels ike it focuses too much on the TiMs and TiFs gets a one-off mention in the comment sections unless they do something hilarious worthwhile to earn their own separate post on this subreddit. Doesn't anyone else here notice this?

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[–]oofreesouloo 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I guess that's because TIMs are usually the ones making the most damage. They have that male entitlement that TIFs don't have because, well, socialized as a female.

[–]jkfinn 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Yes--damage for sure. And they’re really two distinct groups. TiFs are girls/women who are most often lesbians or who have lesbian tendencies who are only being enticed into trans in the same way lesbians are enticed into LGBTQ--it’s the ready and now established path to “switch genders” or approximate “male.” I think those here who need to show sympathy for transgender persons should start and end with TiFs.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think we should show sympathy for either, they're both damaging. They're both responsible for this mass trans-entitlement and putting on the "know my pronoun" badge to force people to call them whatever they want, and that's without being prodded by males. If a TiF or TiM want to use basic logic to figure out they were scammed into some ideology, they can do so without our sympathies and with cold hard logic being smacked into their faces. The TiF I knew in real life was trying to study Bachelor of psychology and majoring in gender studies and go into clinic psychology, guess where that is going? (Hint: She believes in made up pronouns and deliberately tries to interpret ancient literature as having a trans twist, such as the Ballad of Mulan). Before she went TiF, she was an anti-white lesbian feminist, who seems to dislike white males, but hey, she's asian so she probably feels she thinks it's fine to claim to be another gender as long as she can be the non-white version of it.

Edit: Added something.

[–]jkfinn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I only suggested it to those here who need to show sympathy for trans members (as yesterday's thread made evident). But I do believe in an incisive distinction between the two.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It didn't seem clear in that thread. Also my post was not targeting that post specifically (if that is your post I don't pay attention to the name of the author), it's targeting majority of this subs posts and comments. I do agree that we should show sympathy for those who are slightly unsure about themselves and realising trans ideology is just a scam, but for those who are legit trans, I'm pretty much transphobic because those beliefs are both damaging to both females and males and are strengthened through cherry picking and twisting of interpretation of scientific research. I thought we were trying to break down gender stereotypes for christ sake and not laugh at little british boys who do ballet (I don't blame him if he wanted to transition if he still endured that attitude as he grew up).

I do believe trans people still deserve the basic human rights (e.g. no bullying), but if I could avoid being friends with one, I would, I don't want to hear about them wanting to feel special and partaking in their team of validators.

[–]Susiesmum 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think those here who need to show sympathy for transgender persons should start and end with TiFs.

I have sympathy for the young gay boys like Jazz Jennings who get pushed into transition by their parents.

[–]jkfinn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've no problem with this, but when it's a long thread with everyone getting into the act (on a gc forum) it has a different impact than what one person is saying in a more private or personal comment.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The TIMs have the money to back them. They have wealthy men on their side, men who are involved in tech, politics, science. They could help eradicate women's rights. They're the ones taking over women's places in academia, art, science, corporate boards, sports, etc.. they're the loudest, the most threatening, the most hyper-sexual, the ones who want to normalize pedophilia, etc...

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're still being encouraged by TiMs and they're trying to groom more females into becoming TiMs (also unfortunately Ties plan to do the same for the next generation of children regardless of what TiMs). The TiF I knew was your typical suburban rich Asian girl who had one of the best education in Australia and she has problems with her parents, she's plans to go into clinical psychology. I've also seen another TiF who is wearing the "my pronoun" badge, I'm deeply at a counselling office she works at, I just hope she stays as a receptionist and not going into research or clinical practice of psychology.

[–]RevengeOfTheCis 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

TIFs and TIMs are different because men and women are different.

One of these two groups is demanding lesbians suck dick, demanding entry to women's prisons and homeless shelters and raping them when they get there, demanding inclusion on women's shortlists, demanding women's positions on sports teams, demanding access to women's scholarships, and demanding the right to be a rape counselor so they can get their jollies listening to women recount their trauma.

The other of the two groups writes smutty gay fanfiction and cuts their hair short.

Feminism is about helping women. Which of the two groups above sounds like the bigger problem for women?

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

They're BOTH still big problems. None of what you said doesn't change the fact TiFs are also perpetuating this bullshit. I was disappointed that we're not talking about them more. They're part of the reason of why people feel that being trans is a valid thing. If one group sees one of them do it, then the other group thinks it's valid (TiMs seeing TiFs transitioning will feel that "hey it's not just those as a male). Logically if we're going to help women, we should be countering gender stereotype ideology on BOTH SIDES as they're both validating each other's delusons of "being in the wrong body". If only the males are doing this, shouldn't be as a big if a problem, but I'm seeing females (and one of them who I know in real life outright demands on their tumblr strangers should follow their made up pronouns, but not their close family and friends) doing this and validating the ideology. If it's only one group then we can all say "Yeah typical males, being drama queens" and it'll be much easier to argue that TiMs are truly deluded.

[–]RevengeOfTheCis 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Of course they are also a problem. I didn't say they aren't a problem, but one is clearly the bigger problem.

To be honest, your post just irked me because I'm sick of posts that complain about what we talk about here. If you want to talk about something else, why don't you talk about it? No one is stopping you (or anyone else who complains about the posts here) from posting about what you want.

Making a "why don't we talk about TIFs" post is a waste of time when you could, you know... make a post talking about TIFs?

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

  1. I never accused you of saying anything (please provide proof), I'm just saying that it doesn't matter which one is the bigger problem, they're both still very problematic.

  2. I made that post because there's a bias towards TiM's and it seems like we're largely ignoring TiFs and considering I haven't seen anyone complain about what I'm complaining on this forum specifically, either I'm the first or it's that uncommon, so I made this post.

  3. I'm not the one researching and digging up crap related to trans people (currently not interested in uploading anything), I'm just here to read and I noticed a pattern. I'm hoping to see more people upload TiF stuff.

  4. This is a forum, anyone can post anything here as long as it follows guidelines, why don't you just report me while you're at it?

  5. Freedom of speech and freedom of choice, don't want to read it, then don't read it. I don't control your choices in life, you do that yourself I'm asking a question to also figure out if I want to hang around this sub, however, that's none your business and you seem to care more about how much my post irked you.

  6. Glad I irked you.

Making a "your post annoys me" reply is a waste of time when you could, you know...read a different post or complain to admins?

[–]RevengeOfTheCis 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I'm so glad there's laugh reacts on this site lolololol

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm so glad there're laugh reacts on this site too, but MORE IMPORTANTLY there're people who remember TiFs are also a big problem regardless if TiMs are doing the most damage or not.

[–]RevengeOfTheCis 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Ah, so you agree with me! TIFs are a big problem, but TIMs are doing more damage. Cool!

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Never said that too. If I did provide proof.

[–]SanityIsGC 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I disagree because trangenderism is essentially a cult, a dangerous one, on par with Scientology and Moonies to name just two. Once anyone is part of a cult, the cult and the hive mind is the be all and end all.Actually I'll include mainstream religions when someone has bought into the ideology hook, line and sinker.

People feeling TIFs are less of a problem, reminds me of Catholics waxing sentimental over nuns, believing that nuns remain holy people unlike the terrible paedophile priests. I had an aunt raised in a Catholic orphanage, and that destroyed her, the nuns were sadists. Lets not even mention the horrors of the laundries run by Irish nuns.

TIFs may not be causing the same havoc as TIMs but they have swallowed the koolaid and are part of the problem

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People saying the same thing remind me of that too. Oh well, can't control their thoughts.

Edit: I just realised who you were replying to so I deleted an edit.

[–]Amareldys 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

TIFs usually get mentioned in the context of peer pressure and social contagion.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Which is still not that often. Also the whole peer pressure thing is probably part of why we get TiMs because society is still shaming males for being feminine, and a way to gain acceptance would be to transition (which is the wrong way to go about it). Whatever infuences someone want to transition is not mutually exclusive to TiFs or TiMs, I understand you might be going of statistics or experiences, but it still doesn't change the fact that this subreddit doesn't seem to target TiF's enough (don't care if they're a fellow female, they're part of the problem).