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[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 38 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 0 fun39 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Previously you needed to have dysphoria to be transgender, and a lot of people were talking about how urgent it was that trans people needed surgery because this was a condition (of being in the wrong body) that affected their mental health.

Yes, there's a bit of history here - you're referring to homosexual transexuals here (male-attracted trans women, known in friendly circles as the trans-med community, and as "truscum" in anti-dysphoria trans circles), who are acknowledged by one prominent school of sexologist thought (i.e. Blanchard, J.M. Bailey, et al.) as the "true" cases of dysphoria in males .

Then the terminology was purposefully obfuscated by activists to merge male transvestism (a paraphilia in which dysphoria is absent, hence the adage that "its a fetish" in a majority of these cases) as an equivalent condition to actual medical dysphoria, using the transmedical/transsexual community as essentially a Trojan Horse to push for wider public acceptance.

tl;dr - members of the trans community arguing for the pro-dysphoria, pro-medical-gatekeeping side are those with the medical condition, formerly known as transsexual, who seek SRS (and frankly ought to be supported); the anti-dysphoria, anti-medical-gatekeeping community as not "trans" in the traditional, medically-accepted sense but rather fetishists (autogynephilic heterosexual males, i.e. "fucking transbians") who wish to live this way publicly for reasons I won't detail here.

[–]FlickingMarvellous 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

All this, plus the fact that most normal people think of HSTS when they hear the phrase “trans woman”, and have no idea that most of them are (intact) AGP.

[–]GConly 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I did a couple if years ago. I grew up with an HSTS, genuinely feminine kid.

I didn't realize there had been a linguistic bait and switch to include transvestites and adult heterosexual men who'd never had GD, until I came to GC. I think most of the UK population at least still sees HSTS as the group we are arguing about and doesn't understand why we are as concerned as we are. The media up until recently was pushing very effeminate HSTS as the standard.

I've just been arguing with an AOAGP (Adult Onset AGP) who swears blind he always knew even as a kid... It's fascinating how they retcon their bs.

I think 'the signs were always there' was a code for 'got an erection in my sister's panties at twelve'.

[–]yousaythosethings 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And they made it to what age before transitioning and without any suicide attempts while pushing the narrative that children should be on puberty blockers and minors should be on hormones because anything else is literal murder-suicide. Why is it that the actual transsexuals tend to be in favor of watching and waiting? Probably because they’re biggest concern isn’t how hot they are post-transition.

[–]FlickingMarvellous 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, same here. I think it’s a big part of why they keep trying to silence us, to stop people from learning about AGP.

[–]GConly 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you want to see a TIM lose their crap, post a few links to other TIMs open about their AGP.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All this again, plus the squiffy dx boundaries and social contagion associated with dysphoria. (Is it actual dysphoria? Another disorder with symptom overlap?)