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[–]Spikygrasspod 35 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 0 fun36 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Beautiful and brave, just not women. Men. And that's okay. Also, arguments are valid in which the conclusion follows from the premises. I don't know what valid humans are though.

[–]bellatrixbells 37 insightful - 6 fun37 insightful - 5 fun38 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

I think it's unfair to call them men. They are males, and therefore not women, that is something I'll get behind, but I think calling them trans women instead is a very fair compromise. I mean, given that they go through everyday life as women and are treated as such by most of the people they encounter, they are in fact somewhere in between. They should not take our place, and neither of them wants to, but I think it's kind of in bad faith to just call them men.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

calling them trans women instead is a very fair compromise

Yeah those two are probably responsible for my current view of "males, sure, but not men, per se" when it comes to trans-med, dysphoric individuals. Also, gotta show love for my fellow homosexuals.

IIRC they both prefer to be primarily acknowledged as trans women (Rose/Blaire, if you see this and I'm wrong, feel free to clap back) and are very open about it. Both are purely pragmatic when it comes to terminology.

I have mad respect for them both for sticking to their message in the face of the abuse they get.

[–]bellatrixbells 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wholly agree. They actually seem like pretty cool people. Rose, especially, seems like someone I might actually hang out with.
Yes, both of them seem pretty clear about wanting to be referred to as trans women. They're both truscum, you know, and the slogan of truscum is that being trans matters, implying that it's invalidating to their whole experience to erase the trans part from their identity.
Their goal may differ from ours as they're defending their own interests but they're still pretty much on the team of common sense and coexistence and I believe it can only be good for us. All of us.