They are still trying to delete/silence us, right here on Saidit.

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[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 30 insightful - 2 fun30 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I just checked out the Saidit Patreon page. It only has 21 patrons. Looks like magnora7's target goal is $350/mo and right now at Patreon he reached $206. He does accept cryptocurrency so maybe that supplements his goal. Still it's pretty bad there are only 21 patrons. Part of me wish there's a way to donate without also contributing to help racists sounding off. But then this place is also serving free speech and free association, a cause I deeply believe in, not to mention it's where this sub is right now. Definitely living in crazytown right now.

[–]motionlessoracle 36 insightful - 3 fun36 insightful - 2 fun37 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Part of me wish there's a way to donate without also contributing to help racists sounding off.

I'm not trying to attack you or make you mad, but I wonder if you've thought about the implications of a platform that bans people who say things you consider racist? How is that in any way different than a platform that bans people for saying things that men don't like?

Free speech really means anyone can say whatever they like as long as it isn't a crime. That is either valuable to you or it isn't. As soon as you allow somebody to decide which controversial ideas it is okay to have, you give one group power over others.

[–]beholdyourheart 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

There's a big difference between wanting to get a group banned and not wanting to support them monetarily. I would never, ever support a platform that hosts neo-nazis with my own money, because I feel very strongly about anti-racism and don't want to give my funds to a racist/anti-semitic platform. Same way I wouldn't give Reddit money because of their misogyny.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I agree with you generally. However, I really hate it today how the Outrage Machine keeps threatening boycotts to force companies to toe their line. That's very different from charitable donations and giving or not giving to a cause. Threatening boycotts today is another form of cancel culture and I really hate it because nowadays it's usually about something stupid, superficial, and cosmetic, that doesn't even make any real difference.

[–]beholdyourheart 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah I can understand that. I think personal boycotts based on ideals are fine but the whole group outrage of 'if you don't boycott X company you're evil and needed to be cancelled' thing is ridiculous. But for me, in terms of paying to support a website, I'd rather pay to support GC making our own site so I could be confident that my money is supporting my own ideals. Since cancel culture is inherently a group concept, I don't think individuals making their own choices on who they want to support is the same thing.

[–]motionlessoracle 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Since cancel culture is inherently a group concept, I don't think individuals making their own choices on who they want to support is the same thing.

Cancel culture is millions of individuals who do not know how to cope with people they dislike, all making individual choices to harass, boycott, doxx, petition, and write letters.

I mean, I agree that choosing not to give money is different from a boycott. However, using this site is like being given a free lunch, and then declaring you don't want to leave a tip for the server because free lunches were also given to racists.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think personal boycotts based on ideals are fine but the whole group outrage of 'if you don't boycott X company you're evil and needed to be cancelled' thing is ridiculous.

Cancel culture is millions of individuals who do not know how to cope with people they dislike, all making individual choices to harass, boycott, doxx, petition, and write letters.

I think you're both correct. On the one hand personal boycotts as a personal choice is not actually cancel culture. OTOH, these personal choices become a collective now because of fucking Twitter. Twitter continuously create outrages to rally a mob for this or that. So while the choices are personal, normally in the past these choices wouldn't have been made in the first place. Once the mob gets loud enough, all the corporations fold and bend at the knee.

Of course in a free society people should be able to boycott companies by their personal choices. In a sane world, boycotts are for when a company is dumping toxic chemicals into the river. In a world where Twitter is the arbiter of morality, companies get threats of boycott when a lowly hourly employee at one store out of the company's 500 stores nationwide does or say something that a shrill group of people on Twitter decides is offensive. Or worse, what the one lowly employee did or said is taken totally out of context or misconstrued. It's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous when the mob threatens boycott if the head of a company voices support for the "wrong" party or politician. Why should hundreds of workers and employees who are just working to feed their families suddenly have their livelihoods threatened because I disagree with their CEO's politics? 99% of the time when people take jobs, they have no clue about the top management's politics. Most will never even meet the executive management. Should people only take jobs now if the entire company's management have "correct" views and opinions? What about people who live in places where the company is the largest jobs provider in the area? The whole thing is insane and out of hand.