TERFs, I see TERFs everywhere...

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[–]whateverman 54 insightful - 2 fun54 insightful - 1 fun55 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

They will push until they reach the limits of what the average person can accept.

Remember the push for the nearly limitless amount of pronouns a few years ago? Notice how that's more or less died down in the last couple of years? As a group, they seem to have accepted that the best they're going to get out of people is using they/them as an alternative to he/him and she/her.

Notice how Reddit removed r/detrans until they received community backlash? They put it back when they realized that it made them look bad, but they would have preferred to remove the existence of detransition all together.

Have you noticed that there isn't as much TRA pushback regarding sports as there is for other issues? There are males joining and competing in women's sports teams, but many of them know that this isn't really a fight they'll win if they push too hard. They know the difference between male and female bodies and they know just how much stronger male bodies can be. Bathrooms were much easier for them to access. But decimating women in their own sports leagues shines a light on the fact that transwomen and women are different.

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That new book “irreversible damage” mentions r/detrans. I wonder if that played a part in them being cancelled, then un-cancelled.

[–]unexpectedly_local 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Did anyone actually push the use of neopronouns (besides they/them) in mainstream society? It seems like the really out there neopronouns were merely a tumblr fad.

[–]whateverman 23 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

There was a push for it. If you have attended any Pride events in the last several years, you may have seen it in person. Ze/Zem/Zir and Xe//Xem/Xir were the most common I saw the push for in real life. It's died down somewhat since 2017/2018.

[–][deleted] 32 insightful - 12 fun32 insightful - 11 fun33 insightful - 12 fun -  (9 children)

My partner took our son to a leftist meeting a couple years ago, and when he was filling out his name tag, they told him name and pronouns. Asking my partner what pronouns were, he responded "what you'd like to be called." He came home with an adorable name tag with his name with "sir" written below. It cracked me up.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 17 insightful - 7 fun17 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 7 fun -  (6 children)

As a prank, my husband and I cornered his 77-year-old father (a conservative but amiable and generally accepting kind of fellow): Dad, what are your preferred pronouns? His response: Huh? What?

Dad, what are your preferred pronouns? Do you want to be called he, she, or something else?

WHAT are you talking about?

Poor guy.

[–]Anonimouse 22 insightful - 11 fun22 insightful - 10 fun23 insightful - 11 fun -  (4 children)

I was in a meeting with a group of younger TRAs and one older gentleman. It was at uni if that sets a better seen. We go round the table doing name and pronoun (because some people have to change pronouns daily, it has to be done on every meeting). This person just says they go by "the normal ones". All hell breaks loose.

[–]venecia 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

lmao he is my hero.

it has to be done on every meeting

Good lord, that soured my laughter a bit. How ridiculous. But ''the normal ones'' is just too funny!

[–]Anonimouse 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

It got to the point where even the head of the uni queer group, a TiF, is sick of it all. I hadn't spoken to [insane one] that day, so referred to it in the third person by the name and pronoun I'd last heard. Nope. Gone from they to she, with a name change to match. TiF above corrects me, I roll my eyes, and get in response "i know, but that's what they want".

Changes every 2-3 days. Goes from "butch fem" to "fem". Still has a penis and won't shave the face. And it's in a queer relationship because the partner is (female) butch identified with they/them pronouns.

I finally figured out how this works. It was explained to me on fb that pronouns and gender identity are unrelated. So you can be a male, masc identified she/her lesbian.

[–]venecia 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It was explained to me on fb that pronouns and gender identity are unrelated. So you can be a male, masc identified she/her lesbian.

Unfuckingbelievable. Why do they insist on the right words anymore when words clearly mean nothing?

[–]IridescentAnaconda 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But God help you if you misgender them by using the wrong pronoun.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

OK that made wine come out of my nose thank you lol

[–]-thedarkhorse- 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That is adorable, he will go far.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's awesome 💕

[–]unexpectedly_local 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. I haven't been in LGBT spaces much at all, so I guess it makes sense I haven't seen it at all IRL.

[–]bellatrixbells 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Il assure you those idiotic pronouns are a thing in France and Quebec. Especially "iel" which is a combination of il and elle (he/she) and it's just retarded. I know people who use them and I think the main liberal university here actually encourages/forces teachers to use them if a student demands it.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Ewwwww I am in Northern Ontario and hadn't noticed it yet among my francophone patients. Yuck. Wtf Quebec you're supposed to be a bit different to us.

How the fuck (pardonnez-vous my franglais svp) do you even pronounce that?!?

[–]bellatrixbells 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

It's pretty straightforward ;) iel reads "yel" or "yelle" :)

It's possibly a Montreal thing though. I'm supposed to be on the left, but like in many other places the liberal left is going overboard with PC.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Hahaha OK yeah sounds Montréal franglais to me. So dumb. Thanks

[–]bellatrixbells 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

It's not ;) but it is dumb and no problem hehe ;)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hehehe thanks 💕

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I know in Canada there was, in 2016 ( i think) they tried passing a law making it illegal to misgender someone and it included pronouns like xe/xim

[–]Heteronormativefuckt 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I've seen a TiM at a corporate office want fae/faed and had a ton of support

[–]Bloommagical 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Remember the push for the nearly limitless amount of pronouns a few years ago? Notice how that's more or less died down in the last couple of years? As a group, they seem to have accepted that the best they're going to get out of people is using they/them as an alternative to he/him and she/her.

I remember this. I'd bet every single one of the people advocating for neopronouns were young teenagers at the time. Some things are just phases.