TRAs were angry when r/gendercritical existed. Now they're mad s/gendercritical exists. It's almost like banning subs doesn't delete people from existence

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[–]11mile_house 109 insightful - 7 fun109 insightful - 6 fun110 insightful - 7 fun -  (9 children)

Not only do I still exist, but now feel less sympathetic towards trans people. Not even doing the pronouns thing anymore.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 72 insightful - 2 fun72 insightful - 1 fun73 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This. I'm doing the bare minimum to not lose my job re: trans and pronouns but I'm putting distance between me and trans folks irl and online, too many of them are energy vampires

[–]sudd3nclar1ty 52 insightful - 16 fun52 insightful - 15 fun53 insightful - 16 fun -  (0 children)

Yes I caught myself thinking along these lines yesterday. Why am I obligated to participate in someone else's fantasy at all? If Jerry wants to come to work in his furry costume, must I refer to him as bare-bear during staff meetings?

[–]catoboros 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Many trans people are harmed by the actions of TRAs, which are eroding the public image of trans people. Dissenting trans people lost our subs too. We were not prepared at all for the bans. Much respect for GC demonstrating the futility of censorship.

[–]venecia 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for being here. I only speak for myself but it warms my heart when older trans people and younger ones who are capable of reason stand up to this absolute bullshit whereby the most oppressed person in any given place has the right to act however they want.

The backlash is going to suck for you guys and I am so sorry. People like you don't deserve it, and there's no way you'll convince them to change course before it happens.

[–]tuesday 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it's your call to express gratitude for someone doing the bare minimum, i get that, i've thanked men before when they appear to understand and have concern for the issues women have to face. But.

I've been around the trans conflict for decades. And it is only in the last very few years, when they realize a backlash is coming and it's going to bit them HARD, have any of them bothered to step up and side with women. Prior to the last few years, they were all content to sit back and let the diehard extremists speak for them, and erase women's rights in the process.

[–]venecia 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm choosing to believe this person has been with us longer than that, but you very well could be right. I know it seems to be the truth from where I'm sitting, that rats are only just seeing the ship sinking.

The only reason I'm contrite is because up until all this bullshit, I supported trans rights. They shouldn't be called slurs. If they disclose dysphoria to someone near to them, using their preferred name and pronouns is an act of kindness and decency. I reversed my thinking on strangers owing others that emotional labor though, and have come to believe that pronouns are earned when someone is read and perceived as the sex they claim unless you are humoring a good friend.

Here's the thing: the backlash is going to be laced with a heavy dose of what right wingers think of trans people. If they thought the wrong pronouns were literal violence, they will not believe how quickly actual violence comes knocking. They are damn fools for thinking they can keep on like this, and even so, if they do, I won't be able to help feeling bad for them, especially the young kids who thought that being misgendered was the worst it gets.

[–]Realwoman 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Which were the dissenting trans people subs?

[–]catoboros 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

r/rightwingLGBT (banned in the first wave) and and r/uncensoredLGBT (banned in the second wave).

r/rightwingLGBT had some right wing nastiness, but was about two-thirds disaffected liberals moaning about leftists, most of the rest being libertarians, with a few token actual conservatives. Many trans people of all viewpoints and robust debate. Many GC and droptheT types. Anti-trans comments were widely rebutted by the community. No one there liked TRAs at all. It was a great community. This was my top sub. (GC was still my #4 after six months of inactivity, for a handful of posts.) r/rightwingLGBT was banned to protect dissenting trans from ourselves, I guess.

r/uncensoredLGBT was founded by a leftist who was banned from r/rightwingLGBT for being too left wing. Trans inclusive. Completely miquetoast totally uncontroversial sub. The mod brought on a second mod to fend off false flag posts and ensure compliance with the new Reddit rules on "hate" content. This was my home after the first banwave. The ban was totally unexpected and emptied my inbox. I guess it was banned for being an LGBT sub not controlled by the ruling clique. Or my fact-based discussion of why I disagreed with some of JK Rowling's essay but respected her right to free speech. We have reformed on Ruqqus +LGBT.

[–][deleted] 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can't believe I ever thought it was possible to have a civil discussion with TRAs, that being respectful and giving them the benefit of the doubt would be reciprocated with the same energy. No, they're homophobes and misogynists, they truly are. They hate us, and I can't sympathize with that, even if they were the most oppressed minority in the world.