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[–]censorshipment 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Was this an online conversation? Had the TRAs actually been inside locker rooms?

I'm pushing 40 and haven't been inside a locker room, so if I were a TRA, I'd use my imagination and assume there's privacy to fit my narrative. Keep this in mind when arguing with folks online... they're likely using their imaginations.

[–]NDG[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Online conversation, but I know one person IRL and the other is connected to me through a site I’ve published on. The IRL one did high school and college sports.

[–]MenAreFragileBabies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, the area I live in in the Midwest is sort of modest even around other women. Every locker room and change room I have been in, myself and all the other women would change in a separate stall in some fashion (toilet/shower stall in the locker room, e.g.). If there were communal showers, I have only seen women use them while wearing bathing suits, even older women.

That doesn't make it OK to permit men into our changing rooms. I personally would fear him using the opportunity to masturbate to me (lots of evidence that this happens), take my picture, even take sneaky pictures of me from over top the stall. They might attack me if I happen to be otherwise alone in there. Sure, women could do the same thing, except they just don't. Women don't act like that. But there was a lot of evidence that transwomen do on /r/thisneverhappens. All of that evidence still exists, of course, even if it's hard to access

But even that is more than you really need to be opposed to sharing semi-nude spaces with men. Fact is, women in my area won't even get naked in front of other women. If they think a man could be in there, they simply won't even use a locker room, bathroom, or dressing room. Or worse, they may be forced to use them in a state of fear. Who could think it's right or OK to force women to use bathrooms where they are afraid of being preyed upon? And reasonably so, based on my preceding paragraph, but even if transwomen were the perfect lambs TRAs claim, it would still not be OK. What if we are talking about domestic abuse or rape victims-- who make up a large percentage of the female population, due to male violence? We are going to make them fear to go out in public, so that a tiny minority of the aggressor sex feels validated in their "identity"?

It's just not right. Why isn't there a call for men to be accepting of trans people in their bathrooms? Ultimately the source of the problem is their violence. Women are victims of it too. It's not OK to shift the blame for it onto us.

And for the record, I don't think transmen should be allowed on our bathrooms either. If you look male or are male, stay the F out.