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[–]Realwoman[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Not saying it's not ever possible for a young outlier woman that trains a lot of to beat an old guy but in general it's not very likely. Also, when it comes to tennis for example, there's no harm in playing tennis with someone much stronger than you for fun. But if it comes to combat for example the danger is real and the difference in strength even more pronounced.

BTW, I've heard from people that like to watch tennis (I'm certainly not one of those them) that they prefer to watch women's tennis because the ball moves slower and it's more fun to track.

[–]chrysthefeminist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

She didn't just beat "an old guy", she beat a retired tennis professional who had been "training a lot" all his life and was still "training a lot" in order to make good on his boast. And the match was not "for fun." It was at the height of the women's liberation movement of the 1970s when both men's and women's feelings were running high on the subject, and was in deadly earnest for both. And I disagree with your dismissal of young, talented women as "outliers."

[–]Realwoman[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

He was also 50.

Are you implying women can beat men in sports? Should men and women compete with each other?

Women that can beat some men are outliers. That's not dismissing them anymore than calling math prodigies outliers is dismissing math prodigies.

Women are not as strong as men and should not have to compete with men. Also, women need protection from men because men are stronger. Denying this basic fact is denying women's rights.

[–]chrysthefeminist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Don't put words into my mouth. I am responding to your assertion that no woman can ever beat any man, and that if she does she's an "outlier." That there is no overlap at all in strength between men and women, just two entirely mutually exclusive "strength" classes, based on sex. I think that the accomplishments of the outliers point as much to the unfulfilled and unrecognized potential of many women as they do to the talents and skills of the outliers themselves. I think women on average are not as strong as men and as such we have every right to our own sports competitions without them. We also have a right to them for purposes of setting our own boundaries.

As to "protection from men", brings to mind the old protection racket (women need men to protect them from men.) I think women need protection from the protection racket, and are perfectly capable of devising our own means of protection.

[–]Realwoman[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

There is the occasional woman that is stronger than the occasional man. The same way that there is the occasional woman that's taller than the occasional man. The vast, vast majority of the men can easily overpower and rape the vast, vast majority of women.

[–]loq453 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://en.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/4vcxd0/almost_all_men_are_stronger_than_almost_all_women/

You are correct. In fact even top female athletes, who most likely abuse steroids, would have problems beating an average men in any competition of pure strength, and this is ignoring the weight difference.

Just look at combat sports, no woman can beat a man in same weight bracket. A good example is the fight between Lucia Rijker against Somchai Jaidee. Lucia Rijker is one of the best female martial artists in history, Somchai Jaidee's only historical record is this fight, the weight difference is 1 kg and she still lost.

Then account that in real life there is a weight difference, and that probably in any country men on average are 10 kg heavier.

[–]Realwoman[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, denying reality is detrimental and even dangerous for women. Men have evolved to fight other men, millions of years of evolution cannot be undone by wokeness.

[–]chrysthefeminist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the occasional woman that's taller than the occasional man.

Yeah, compare Finns with southern Italians and see how "occasional" it is for women to be taller than men.

I think there's a lot of undeveloped and unrecognized female potential and I simply don't agree with you that the situation is set in stone for all time. I think that any further "dialog" between us on the subject is likely to be unproductive and I am also very bored with your views, so let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.