The detransitioners: what happens when trans men want to be women again?

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[–]critical_of_WR 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

"I started reading more about feminism and understanding things differently. It’s hard to grow up and not really see other masculine lesbian women. I had put the problem inside myself, when actually it is with how the outside world sees women who don’t conform to feminine norms. I just wanted to be human, neutral, myself. I felt as if the only way I could be myself was to look like a guy."

This is incredibly sad. I feel a lot of TIMs and TIFs are non-gender conforming gay men or gay women who feel ashamed of the fact that they did not conform to heterosexual standards of attractiveness or sexual attractions, so the solution is to be as close to a conventionally attractive member of the opposite sex to cure the dysphoria. It's probably why so many TIMs are concerned with mainstream beauty of wide hips, and big breasts. The problem is after the transition they realize they still aren't men and/or women, and the dysphoria is not truly cured. It is incredibly sad.

[–]begonia_skies 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is the real problem, if we really drill down, with the trans movement, is that it is based on misogyny and gender roles that are bullshit. Women don't want to be women anymore because they believe their lives will be easier, better even as men. And many MtFs are MRAs that believe being a woman is life on "easy setting" and women get hand-fed value and sex (which is usually what MtFs are after). It's just bullshit through and through, how they can't see the whole premise is a joke is beyond me.

[–]worried19 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Not even just lesbians, but a lot of straight girls want out of this pornified conception of womanhood. What girls are being taught in porn and in pop culture is that women are submissive fuck toys for men to abuse, that we're lesser and weaker and the most important thing about us is how feminine and "fuckable" we are.

[–]questioningtw[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh absolutely. I actually think in some ways media was LESS sexist back in say the 70s, 80s and 90s . Then you had Ripley, Sarah Conner, Ellie from Jurassic Park, Mulan a whole lot of women that were handy....now it seems like there is a backlash to that. People seem to WANT people to be in their restricted boxes. And i wish the porn industry would die in a fire. They have done so much damage to women.

[–]critical_of_WR 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That and women who may feel that they never had a chance to perform to the pornified version of womanhood. Maybe they didn't have big breasts or blond hair, etc. They may have recognized they were women, but a particular type of womanhood is weaponized and if you don't conform then you have no access to power. Might as well do the next best thing and become a man who has real societal power. Sad.

[–]questioningtw[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I sometimes blame the media coming out with articles by "scientists" talking about how men and women really do have different brains and that different sexed behaviors have been seen in monkeys and apes. They don't mention that humans are way more complicated then monkeys and apes and people's behavior varies by their temperament and the situation they are in. I hate also modern society seems to have this weird obsession with identity and being your true self. It leads to selfishness and narcissism and you will always be you, no matter how much you run away from it.

[–]critical_of_WR 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The funny thing is while the media may endorse such a thing, a real scientist would not. There thing is there is no real statistical evidence that shows there is such a thing as a male or female brains. Any neuroscientist worth their salt would not put their name to such a paper.