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[–]Sun_bear 38 insightful - 3 fun38 insightful - 2 fun39 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

I would like to see some example of these white supremacist and anti-semitic posts on r/gendercritical please. There was I thinking your average white supremacist wants to end women's suffrage, end women's participation in the work force and basically go back to the victorian era of women's rights. It's completely incompatible with feminism.

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I saw plenty. I reported them. Some got deleted and others remained because person who said was married to a brown person so gets to talk over minority woman. There was so much white supremacy dog whistling. Most of the WOC who called it out were banned because of “incivility”. You guys are going to have to be a bit more honest about the type of posts and posters you were comfortable with. GC WOC contained women of color who were banned by the main sub for calling out racism. You can either deal with the reality or continue to pretend it was never an issue and remain in the dark.

[–]Sun_bear 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Could you give me an example?

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From the sub that has been banned ? Examples were mostly white people shitting on hip hop, while turning a blind eye to misogyny in metal or some white woman trying to pretend she’s oppressed because of her conservative brown mother in law. There were people blaming Soros for certain events, women blaming Islam for certain things while trying to brush off the same issues present in Christianity. Then there were the alt right men who comfortably left their shitty white supremacy comments, going unchallenged. If you challenged them, you got banned. They were alt right because they posted on the Donald or red pill subs consistently. Overall no honest discussions. People who called it out were banned by the mods because apparently “incivility” was a bigger crime than blatant racism. They then expected people to grovel to get back in. In the end the GCWOC sub were filled with women banned because they called out racism on GC. How sad and pathetic is that? You didn’t think it was going to catch up with you eventually? When the GC sub got banned I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. Cry because women’s voices were erased but part of me felt like their chickens had finally come home to roost.

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So there were something like 65,000 r/GC members at the time of the ban (forget what the active percentage was). Whose chickens are we talking about, exactly? Enough chickens to warrant nuking that many women's collective voices, that volume of discourse? The questions of that many women from non-Anglo countries seeking truth and advice? I distinctly remember women from the ME, Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe finding r/GC and reaching out, saying what a relief it was to find the group, how frightened they were to post, but how necessary it was for them to have some place to discuss feminism.

Boom -- gone.

You really okay with that?

This is sounding like part schadenfreude, part purity argument.

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Honestly, the fact that you wrote all that and are unable to self reflect doesn’t surprise me. You don’t like the white feminist term and I agree at times the term gets thrown around indiscriminately, but the GC sub went out of their way silencing women of color and propping up alt right voices. Last few months we would always have one thread or another pointing out that the sub was way too comfortable with alt right talking points and people like you would go in there and pretend it’s not happening. If you want to act dumb about it, go ahead. But sometimes you need to come to terms with the fact that the sub was more white feminist centric and spend way too much time silencing WOC to protect alt right women and men.

For example right now in the Guardian thread there is a person blaming Soros and open society for transgender articles in the guardian. That’s an alt right dog whistle and always has been. People even gave it an “ insightful” vote. But I am sure if I challenge it, I’ll be banned for “incivility”.

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You're arguing in bad faith -- misrepresenting (deliberately? out of ignorance?) personal motivations you cannot possibly know, broadly asserting intentions with no specific evidence, and evading questions about your own position. Unfortunate, because I'd like to know more about your ethos on silencing tens of thousands of women from an array of countries and cultures for what appears to be your personal US-centric expectations of emotional comfort.

As another member here has said, this isn't Reddit -- there's a sitewide requirement for quality of debate. So unless we're gonna do that, we're done.

[–]Sun_bear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for posting this - you've given me the sort of examples I was looking for.

Reading between the lines here, I think you are saying GC holds men of colour to a higher standard than it holds white men? Metal, which is predominantly white, gets a pass, while rap, which is predominantly black gets called out?

Edit: what is Soros?

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From the sub that has been banned ? Examples were mostly white people shitting on hip hop, while turning a blind eye to misogyny in metal or some white woman trying to pretend she’s oppressed because of her conservative brown mother in law. There were people blaming Soros for certain events, women blaming Islam for certain things while trying to brush off the same issues present in Christianity. Then there were the alt right men who comfortably left their shitty white supremacy comments, going unchallenged. If you challenged them, you got banned. They were alt right because they posted on the Donald or red pill subs consistently. Overall no honest discussions. People who called it out were banned by the mods because apparently “incivility” was a bigger crime than blatant racism. They then expected people to grovel to get back in. In the end the GCWOC sub were filled with women banned because they called out racism on GC. How sad and pathetic is that? You didn’t think it was going to catch up with you eventually? When the GC sub got banned I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. Cry because women’s voices were erased but part of me felt like their chickens had finally come home to roost.