Do you think the number of misogynist, antisocial, and just generally unpleasant men is increasing?

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[–]neveragain 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I think there's evidence that society at large is failing men. Or failing some men, especially those who do not have adequate support networks in real life.

Back in the day I used to lurk some 4chan boards, and while I can't speak to the culture over there now, the common creed at the time was "no women exist on the internet". Lurking Twitch streams now, depending on the streamer the chat has a similar vibe. Times change, but badly socialised men have always existed.

I don't know that labelling these men as "generally unpleasant" is particularly helpful though. While I was peaking I spent quite some time reading accounts of AGP from self-identified AGP males, and frankly it sounds like a terrible condition to deal with. Some of these men were clearly at their wit's end trying to figure out how to live with it while not being able to speak about it outside of small communities online.

That said, I'm not on here to point at incels or AGPs like a circus attraction. I don't think this forum is the best choice for this discussion. I'm here to speak about trans ideology impacting women's rights. I'm not against men posting here, but you've framed your post in a way that centres men's issues -- perhaps it would be a good idea to reflect on why you felt the need to come here and do that.

[–]TheSeventhSense[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah I'm not sure why I posted it here, I think it's because I knew it'd get the most engagement here which is very selfish of me since it isn't my space in the first place. I also overestimated the relevance of my topic here since it isn't a trans or women's issue, even though sometimes the issues of men become the issues of women.

And it wasn't very empathetic of me to call them "generally unpleasant" even though to the outside eye they very much are. A lot of these so called incels and other "deplorables" are very much hurting inside underneath all the layers of hate and bitterness. They're just looking for answers and for an explanation that will somehow rationalize all the pain and dejection they've been through. But again as you said this is off topic and not really the focus of the sub, I'll be limiting myself to gc guys from now on.

[–]neveragain 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I can't speak for all the women here but as I said earlier, I don't mind men posting here at all. My concern was that the topic was framed in a way that centres men's issues. To put it crassly, it was, essentially, "Hey women, men's issues are getting worse, discuss." I understand that you may not have intended it to come across that way, and that with the recent Reddit banwave you also lost the GCGuys community (which I'm glad is reforming here on Saidit) and so may have been at a loss as to where to pose your question.

The topics in question do interest me, and they are important. But still, it's sort of like if I, a bisexual woman, went on the lesbian sub and asked them to discuss bisexuality. Do you see what I mean?

[–]TheSeventhSense[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I do now, what I posted is just outside the scope of the sub and not its purpose. I see that a new gc guys sub has reformed so ill go over there with issues like this in the future, I appreciate the explanation.