Has anyone ever come back from peak trans?

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[–]Anna_Nym 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wasn't on the old board, but I've seen detrans and trans people on Twitter talk about it. The impression I got was that there was a lot of mockery and negative discussion of trans appearances. So that may be where Contra got the strawman about innate disgust.

I do not generally feel disgust at trans appearance, whether they are passing or not. But I do feel disgust at trans women who bimbofy themselves and then claim the bimbofication makes them a woman. It's not disgust at the appearance, but disgust at what the overall action signifies about their perception of women. This is different from a trans person dressing in a sexy way, although it's difficult to put that difference into words. I suspect everyone here knows exactly what I mean, though. It's also different to me from a man who knows he has a cross-dressing or other form of fetish and enacts it in an appropriate, consensual space without claiming it turns him into a literal woman.

Contra also claims not to have a fetishistic motivation for transitioning, but there is a lot of video evidence to the contrary. Ever since learning about that, I've become more skeptical about how honest Contra is.

[–]neveragain 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I do feel disgust at trans women who bimbofy themselves and then claim the bimbofication makes them a woman

You know, I was thinking about this and AGP the other day, and also thinking about Contra's AGP video. I watched that when I had no idea what the hell AGP was and just sort of accepted his dismissal of it at face value, and even then, there was a line in there that really put me off. It was the part where he's talking about how he doesn't have a fetish about his own body, and one of the justifications he uses is that (slightly paraphrased) "when there's developments I'll check it out, but I'm not like, 'Oh yeah I have tits now that's so hot' -- well, it's kind of hot. But hot in the sense that someone else might find them attractive."

And I was so taken aback because I was remembering my own experience going through puberty, growing breasts -- the whole deal with having to wear bras, having to worry if people could see the bra through my shirt, the self-consciousness -- I don't believe any young girl going through puberty is thinking, "awesome, now people can sexualise me." It was like cold water splashed in my face: this person does not and is not capable of thinking about breasts the way women think about them. This is the point of view of a male, through and through.

And the line about women buying lingerie for themselves as if it's a good argument for women having AGP! Absolutely no clue about what it means for a woman to accept and cherish her body. I mean why would he? He has no concept of the young girl, who is thrown into the uncertain and frightening ocean of the male gaze. So it follows that he has no concept of the woman, who brings herself to shore and embraces the body she once rejected, because its inexorable changing threw her into the depths.

[–]Anna_Nym 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, the more trans women are given space to talk, the clearer it is that AGP types have no idea what it's like to move through the world as a woman in an embodied way. And how can they? They lack the physical vulnerability; they lack the socialization; and very few of them pass at all. They have their own experiences, which are valid. I wish they were willing to claim and identify them. I think a lot of the tensions would be solved by that simple action of accepting their identities as what they are (trans women or trans men) and not trying to make them into something they simply aren't (natal women or natal men).

Unfortunately, the prominent activists are not willing to do this. The majority of trans people I've known in real life have been so much more grounded and honest about the differences between them and natal females or males. I think activism in the Internet area, unfortunately, rewards the most authoritarian and extreme ideologues of all types.