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[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Oh wow, I've watched people track down a woman commenting on a live news Facebook feed about BLM (which isn't the same, but we're still talking cancel culture). They found all of her information over Facebook for her employer, and several people immediately started calling in with complaints with the goal to get her fired. It's pretty damning.

[–]DogeWalker 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I would call that doxxing. I am not defending those actions, but at the same time, words matter. Take this thread for example. What does the Democratic party in the USA have to do with this? Are Democratic Party officials the ones participating in this doxxing?

If we want to be taken seriously about this or any other issue, we should be willing to get specific and to keep thinking critically.

[–]Anna_Nym 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Doxxing is part of cancel culture. It's one of the tools. If you think that cancel culture sounds like something you associate with the conservative right or MRAs, you're not wrong. Both sides use what is now called cancel culture. But the left-affiliated side currently appears to have more institutional capture and so is more dangerous with it. To put it in very broad trends, the right currently seems to only be able to cancel their own. The left can cancel their own as well as those in neutral territory.

The current Democratic Party has tension between its moderate members--including both those who could be called centrists and those who are liberal leftists--and its more firebrand progressive wing. When I look at CA as a bellwhether of what types of problematic policies the firebrand progressive wing may put into place, I do find it troubling. I think that wing is gaining influence over the Party and that the wing is anti-free speech, anti-policies-of-equality, and anti-biological sex. Because this is already the dominant ideology for books, TV, movies, and media, there will be no checks.

[–]DogeWalker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ok... maybe the Democrats hav gotten worse. But have the Republicans gotten any better? I don't think so.

Both parties are beholden to corporate interests, that is for sure. But only one party is a machine purpose-built to grind up poor people at the altar of prosperity. Republicans have been pissing on poor folks since at least the days of Reagan. Republicans are equally happy to piss on poor whites as they are to piss on poor non-whites, but they have benefitted from racial divisiveness for at least 100 years.

Because this is already the dominant ideology for books, TV, movies, and media, there will be no checks.

Not trying to attack you personally, but I have to take a stand against this. There's a huge difference between TV and media being shaped by corporate interests, and having actual speech/expression curtailed by the government. Can you give some examples of the censorship you're seeing in the media? I have a hard time remembering anything that would amount to that, happening in recent memory. Just because The New L Word has 18 TIMs playing true and honest lesbians.... so what? You can find most banned books if you have an internet connection. Just don't watch wokeist TV and read instead.

[–]Anna_Nym 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not sure what you're arguing with because you seem to have two separate points, and I feel both have been addressed to you clearly in replies.

Point #1 seems to be that cancel culture is not a big deal because it's not government censorship. It is true that it generally isn't government censorship in the US right now. I consider losing employment, social circles, hobbies, dealing with targeted harassment etc. to be a big deal, even if it's not done by the government. I also consider the chilling effect on people's ability to discuss policies and events that affect them to be a big deal.

Point #2 seems to be that cancel culture has nothing to do with the Democratic Party. To this one, I would agree that yes, the Democratic Party is not the primary advocate or perpetrator of cancel culture. However, what we see in progressive areas like CA, Seattle, Portland, and certain House districts is that supporters/advocates of cancel culture are gaining political power through the Democratic Party. This is troubling to me for the reasons already stated.

In terms of examples of media censorship as a result of cancel culture, I am confused how someone could be on this board and have to ask that.

[–]StupidHappyPancakes 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The government actually IS implementing more censorship by harshly penalizing people for saying wrongthink, such as criticism of immigration being a criminal matter in some parts of Europe, or the enforcement of "misgendering" laws that carry heavy fines.

[–]Anna_Nym 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not in the US yet, right? Or are there state laws in some places that do that?

But I agree that looking at the trajectory in other countries, it is very easy to see how the Democratic Party could end up promoting and enforcing laws like that in the US.

[–]DogeWalker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Out of curiosity regarding point #2, do you live in one of those liberal areas?