On Magdalen Berns' controversial tweet

submitted by sotired from (self.GenderCritical)

Someone told me that "GC is toxic too" and showed me Magdalen's tweet.

She quote tweets someone and says

You are fucking blackface actors. You aren't women. You're men who get sexual kicks from being treated like women. fuck you and your dirty fucking perversions. our oppression isn't a fetish you pathetic, sick, fuck.

I linked to r/itsafetish to show that this is indeed true of a number of trans-males.

"But she can't generalise like that!"

That's so similar to saying "Not All Men". Magdalen was a lesbian, obviously pissed at the encroachment of lesbian spaces by trans males who tell her to suck their dick. She's probably only met AGP people who act like this, and I think she deserves to vent her anger and generalise.

The part about trans males being like blackface actors makes a lot of sense too. There are men who are not interested in hormones or surgery and decide to identify as women just because they want long hair/dresses/make-up. And they speak about "widening the definition of what it means to be a woman"... This is clearly gender appropriation. Why don't they widen what it means to be a man? And include men who wear dresses and makeup? Why are they encroaching the definition of the word "woman" without our consent?

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[–]Camberian 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In my opinion she is right. If you stop and think about it, I doubt you would find any black community willing to accept white people "turning themselves black" - even if mentally ill.

[–]venecia 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

I can't wait. It sounds so easy to just identify as black and scream down bigots who dare suggest I have white privilege or should listen to people born black as authorities on their own issues. I will LITERALLY kill myself if they do that, you guys.

[–]Moonkittie 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"I have a black mind in a white's body!"

[–]sotired[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly!

[–]vitunrotta 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I have been wondering about how the same feminists completely agreed that Rachel Dolezal was an impostor, but somehow also vehemently defend self-identifying men? Isn't that exactly the same thing? Why is it always okay to shit on women? How do the mental gymnastics even work here? I don't get it.

[–]Camberian 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hits it on the nail.

[–]jkfinn 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Don't you know... women have no boundaries, and black males do have more, if not a lot. It wasn't female blacks that defeated "Black Face," although I'm sure they did much of the work, but rather the estimable input of black males.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is exactly the same thing. Why don’t the woke see this?

[–]Riothamus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If anything, race is much more of a spectrum and social construct than sex, as everyone except for albinos has some melanin and the whole idea of races is fluid.

OTOH, sex has literally two options and freaking robots and animals can easily tell the difference between male and female humans.

[–]Jamiethiel2018 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True & we will never please everyone. Was asked not to compare the two. I'm being naive I guess. Truth is, if one could use standard English, it would be obvious.

[–]jkfinn 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Only small, pathetic males would cite these words in an argumentative sense, or as “toxic.” To me, doing so just points out how literal-minded, close-minded, and opportunistic they are.

This is actually Berns at her best, not at her worst. Here, she’s not bending, she’s not measuring each phrase for its preciseness, not in the least deferring, but rather standing in, holding her own, and delivering a few decisive blows, to boot.

[–]veruscka8 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I would disagree that it’s like blackface although I would say it’s a type of appropriation. Blackface had a different kind of oppressive social function. Trans people presenting themselves as the opposite gender is a lot more complicated and has different intentions behind it, as well as a different set of consequences and expectations. After all no one thought a white actor wearing blackface was actually Black.

[–]Jamiethiel2018 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

true. Can we come up with another one? especially as we've been asked repeatedly not to use this one.

Perhaps we could shift to another form of appropriation. lol, too bad animals can't object to being appropriated. there the delusion is obvious. How it isn't obvious in this one terrifies me. Women were clearly never human.

[–]veruscka8 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hmm well I don’t know if it’s really necessary? Tossing accusations back and forth is distracting and unproductive, plus they’ll just call us “transphobic”/terf etc anyway. GC rings true for me because it logically makes sense: the goal is dismantling patriarchy and making the world more accommodating for all (including gender dysphoric folks). People who are dysphoric wouldn’t entertain the notion of transitioning if they accepted themselves the way they are.

[–]Spikygrasspod 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Was Berns addressing all trans women, or someone specific? Were the tweets responding to someone, or just a general statement? Who is the 'you' here?

ETA this isn't a rhetorical question. I can't seem to find the original tweet or who it was replying to, I can only find other people's screen shots of it. I think it matters because I wouldn't like to see HSTS, or young people who identify as trans due to sex role distress, described as dirty perverts, but I could understand if she said that about AGPs.

[–]sotired[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah, I wanted to find it too, but I couldn't. She was quote tweeting someone, in the screenshots. But I was making the assumption based on her early videos, and her experiences as a lesbian in university, that she was only exposed to the AGP sort.