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[–]miaowkitty 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And the thing is... they are not women. They are trans women. The denial of biological reality just grinds my gears.

[–]Girlwiththeraventat 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. They can never be real women. It's not society that won't let them be women. Its biology.

[–][deleted] 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the silencing of radfem women is opening the pandoras box to allowing porn culture and pedophilia to flourish.

[–]OrangeFirefly 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So true. I need to write to my MP about where he stands on trans rights (though he's the wokiest of the woke, so I'm almost not sure it's worth the effort.) That list would be a good starting point.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If enough women demand their rights back a la Labour, it'll reveal right quick if he's truly woke or conveniently woke.

[–]-thedarkhorse- 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you, will save for reference.

[–]Thatstealthygal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The fundamental block is that accepting this requires you to view transwomen as men, and nobody "kind" wants to do that. It's the place where radfems and TRAs cannot find common ground.

But common ground is the only way forward. What to do??

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We can see transwomen and transmen as transgender, a separate category to respect they no longer wish to be called "men" or "women" and also respect the reality that their interests and their biological realities are different to those of men and women. Transwomen remain male, just as eunuchs throughout history are still male. Identifying is not an action that makes them female or a woman if woman means adult human female. Their wish to prioritize gender expression and id over sex does not negate the reality that women are women because of their sex and experience sex-based oppression. Otherwise, women could just id as men and we'd have equality.

Kindness is not setting yourself on fire to keep others warm.