Stats on violence against women by TIMs

submitted by yoperreosola from self.GenderCritical

I’m caught in a civil debate with a friend who told me:

“So, was having a hard time finding numbers to support your argument for trans female violence against endangered female population. From what I understand it's simply confirmation bias based on less than 10 cases in a million of people.”

Does anyone have these stats readily available? Or know where I can point her? If i show her male violence stats she will refute with “they’re not men and they’re not women”. I know there’s websites that lists the trans women and links to the stories about their crimes (would love a link to those if it’s available), but I’d like to know stats.

Also, I’m thinking... even if it was just 10 cases, how do i explain to her about the the physical strength that men have that allows them to have control of the situation. I’m sure most are good people, but why should I live with fear without a guarantee of safety?

Yes, how do I explain this in simple terms to someone outside of the feminist conversations?

Since the Reddit ban I don’t have any of my info readily available 😔

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[–]pennyheax 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

A list of different articles & studies:

20% of transgender prisoners in male prisons in CA are listed as sex offenders (versus 15% of the cismale population)

http://ucicorrections.seweb.uci.edu/files/2013/06/A-Demographic-Assessment-of-Transgender-Inmates-in-Mens-Prisons.pdf

"Second, regarding any crime, male-to-females had a significantly increased risk for crime compared to female controls (aHR 6.6; 95% CI 4.1–10.8) but not compared to males (aHR 0.8; 95% CI 0.5–1.2). This indicates that they retained a male pattern regarding criminality. The same was true regarding violent crime."

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

"Overall, 19.3% of transgender women respondents reported having ever been in jail/prison in their lifetime"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5441521/

In the UK "We submitted Freedom of Information requests to the Ministry of Justice.

It said that 60 of the 125 transgender inmates it counted in England and Wales were serving time for a sexual offence."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42221629

Ever since the UK started allowing male prisoners to switch prisons based on gender identity, the number of "trans" prisoners has surged 10x. If all of these people are really trans, then they are overrepresented 4x in the prison population:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/09/one-50-prisoners-identify-transsexual-first-figures-show-amid/

If she's familiar with the arguments for "Schrodinger's Rapist," then you could make the same arguments for transwomen too.

[–]CaliforniGinger 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Saving these, thanks.

[–]yoperreosola[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Same. Saving outside of saidit. I’m starting my own doc.

[–]SentimentalFloss 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those are incredibly helpful, thank you. The first study is very interesting. Not only are they more likely to be sex offenders, they're also more likely to be classified as Level 3 or as Level 4 inmates. They're also more likely to be in for property damage— considering what they did to Vancouver Rape Relief, that's not particularly surprising. I'll be saving these for future reference.

[–]peregrine_throw 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The links here are great!

OP, re-frame the question-- ask her seriously how many female victims she wants until she declares it "A Problem". How many girls and women victims would she find acceptable as long as feelings of dysphoric men are accommodated, ask for a number.

Then ask her why she locks her house. How many times has her home been invaded in the past? Once? Never? Oh-- so she just wants to safeguard her house then?

[–]milpathecat 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent.

[–]yoperreosola[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Appreciate your input! I don’t think the second argument works here tho... there’s so many home invasions that have been happening since the dawn of civilization. It’s a known problem so people protect against it.

[–]peregrine_throw 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, and it's a known problem up to 99% of rapes and sexual assaults are committed by men... but somehow this fact must be ignored because it "hurts the feelings of men who think they're women"? So female victims are expendable again to please men... because it's girls' and women's job to do so? A 14 year old MUST UNDRESS in front of a "LESBIAN TIM", say in a pool facility, to make sure he feels "included" and she must hope for the best this isn't a pervert?

And the point is, giving a number. Up to how many times must her house be invaded before home security is reasonable or is she just being hateful against poor people to assume they all want to rob her?

If she still insists, tell her to look 'The Narcissist's Prayer' up-- she's already on line 3. Soon she'll be blaming terfs for begging for the violence because they dared to say they feel unsafe.

>A Narcissist's Prayer

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did..
You deserved it.

A simple look at crime sites like transcrimeuk.com shows the almost-absence of TIFs and the overwhelming perps who are TIMs. Follows male pattern of violence.

[–]CaliforniGinger 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I made a post with my top fave links here https://saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/52us/an_offering_of_some_of_my_favorite_links_used_to/ Hope that helps!

[–]PassionateIntensity 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The stats don't exist because TIMs are recorded as "female" in crime statistics. (Yeah you heard me.) You could look at prison stats. I'll take the UK's: TIMs are 4X overrepresented in prison and 2x more likely to be sex offenders than regular men. I think that's probably misleading because this is all based on nothing but the self-ID of criminals. But that's the law TRAs have lobbied.

[–]yoperreosola[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good point!