Talking to friends about GC views

submitted by _UngodlyFruit_ from (self.GenderCritical)

So I've been wanting to reach out privately and talk to a few various close female friends of mine regarding how harmful trans ideology is to women and how our rights are being eroded. I've been so deeply immersed in reading about this stuff over the last few months since I peaked that I don't know where to start though. I’m worried I might inundate them with too much information from the get go and come off too intense or obsessed.

I consider these particular friends to all be rationally minded, intelligent women. While I don't know about their stance on trans issues specifically, I do know that all of them consider themselves to be feminists and in support of women's rights. None of them have jumped on the TWAW bandwagon or shown any typical TRA behaviour, to my knowledge.

I need some advice here. What would be some good starting topics to bring up to them to stimulate interest in discussion? What are the best approaches in introducing other women to gender critical ideas?

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[–]threefingersam 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is hard. I'm no expert, but I try to talk to my friends in-person or at least not by text-based methods. This is because I think people can easily misinterpret the tone of written words.

When it comes to topics to start on, I like talking about the most recent controversy about J.K Rowling's tweets. Like about the content of the tweets and the response she received. I ask someone what they think, and gauge their response. When it comes to GC views, I take the approach of women's rights and freedom of speech. Having concrete examples of how both are threatened by TRAs is helpful. Specific examples of TiM criminals allowed access into female prisons, TiMs beating female athletes at sports & so on.

I guess the idea is to inform your friends, ask questions and hopefully they'll ask questions too. At least that's how I'm opening up conversation.

[–]Kai_Decadence 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Specific examples of TiM criminals allowed access into female prisons, TiMs beating female athletes at sports & so on.

This is generally good but I noticed that a lot of the times, it doesn't work. Like I recently got in a debate where this woman was saying that "Transwomen" being in the women's restroom is not a big deal. I of course explained that there have been cases of trans-identified men harassing women in them and when she asked for proof, I gave her a link to the WomenAreHuman website in the Crime News section and she just responds with "Those are just cherry-picked examples, it doesn't prove anything" and I just threw in the towel because I knew she just wouldn't understand.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I feel like sports are always the best way to start.

[–]Spikygrasspod 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe start with a single issue that you found compelling, like the behaviour of a specific athlete (such as McKinnon or Fox) or the treatment of JKR for her views. I spoke to a good friend about JKR. She called her a TRF and I asked if she had read JKR's own words. She hadn't. Anyway, express your worries about one issue and see what they say. If you just start listing all the problems you have with TRA, they might shut down and classify you as a TRF without really engaging.

[–]Kai_Decadence 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not a woman but when I came clean about being Gender Critical, it didn't go well and I ended up losing most of the few friends I had left. Thankfully 2 stuck around but for the most part, I got ditched by the others plus banned from a Facebook Group was I a regular on. I think it can be very hard to talk about when it's people who aren't as well versed in the faultiness of Trans ideology and how it's imparting itself on women's rights.

[–]CaliforniGinger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I always have these conversations in person. So far have 100% success rate, but that may vary depending on where you live. My friends all know I'm super intense anyway, so they aren't surprised when I have strong opinions that I want to talk about, lol. You could start a number of places, but I usually start with it being a war on women and describe the shelters, prisons, male violence vs female violence rates and the differences in strength, then the terroristic and manipulative tactics they use, which have resulted in Karen White and Yaniv etc, and how they're even taking away even our words to describe our own reality. Usually we'll both agree that we don't care how people dress, but that women need some places to be safe and free of male bodies. The conversation will wander from there.