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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If a group of women try to be intersectional the causes for that group will inevitably centre men completely. The current 4th wave of feminism is a perfect example of that.

Women are the canary in the coal mine. Damages to our communities are no big deal, but once it starts hurting them they'll develop their own reasoning for being GC and start speaking of their own volition. But personally I've got no interest rolling out a red carpet to make it about them.

[–]respectmyidentity[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We can't make it about them, it IS about them. That IS the current status quo. I am more focused on getting power and influence. Right now it doesn't matter if I speak, no one listens or thinks I'm worth listening to.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are though, GC spaces wouldn't exist otherwise if our thoughts weren't important or worth listening to. But hitching their validity and power on whether men accept it isn't the right way to go imo. I would rather hear women speak than have our thoughts filtered through men and their view of us.

[–]respectmyidentity[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But aren't women still speaking in this case? The topic might change, but they are still speaking. I want women to be heard, I don't care what they say, so long as it helps other women and is heard.