Told my friend TIMs have male priviledge. They (non-binary *eyeroll*) said I triggered them and now they want to have a conversation with me about our friendship... oh lordy

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[–]Spikygrasspod 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Do trans men have privilege? I haven't seen this argument before. Do you mean on the basis of passing? Because I would have thought a non-passing trans man could be quite vulnerable?

Maybe you should ask them what's upsetting them specifically. Is it the case that disagreeing about who has privilege is itself upsetting enough to change a friendship? Or do they think the conversation about privilege is symbolic of something more important, like you accepting them as a person or as non-binary?

[–]bradjohnsonishere[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What I was saying was that like Bruce Jenner for example lived as a male his whole life, so he lived with that male privilege. My friend says that he never had male privilege because he was always a trans woman on the inside. I tried to explain that privilege is not about your feelings or what YOU think of yourself. It's about how society perceives you. So trans women, BY DEFINITION, were male at some point. So at some point they benefited from the patriarchy.

[–]Spikygrasspod 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, I must have misread your post. I thought you were talking about trans men/trans-identified females.

[–]fogellegof 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"TiM" means "Trans identifying Male", i.e. trans woman. And they sure have. I've seen some posts about guys bragging around that they are just "girls" in their spare time and normal men in business, because they are taken more seriously. (rly?!). But I could think it could be possible that a well passing TiF = trans man could have male privilege at first.