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[–]Anna_Nym 41 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 0 fun42 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What types of coordinated movements are there to support women in situations like these? My children read these books. I very much doubt TRAs and Furries are significant percentages of the actual book-buying audience.

Women should never be fired or harassed for stating our personal truths of our experiences and identities. I am very pro-choice, but I cannot imagine calling for a woman to be fired for expressing an anti-abortion view. I would never call for a woman to be fired even for saying something like women are essentially nurturing beings who are happiest staying home with children--even though that's not just something I disagree with but something that reinforces patriarchy. Because I believe women have a right to have beliefs about our lives.

It is terrifying to me that amount of people--including other women--who don't believe this.

[–]madderthanhell 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What types of coordinated movements are there to support women in situations like these

As a community we need to develop a clear set of strategies for collective action when cases like this come to our attention, e.g. circulate a report along with contacts of the employer and encourage GC members to send messages denouncing the firing; make reports to media (cultivate media contacts); encourage consumer boycotts of the companies involved (whilst encouraging consumer support for the work of the writer herself); crowdfund to assist the woman whose livelihood TRAs have attacked

[–]MonstrousRegiment 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said! I just emailed Working Partners and quoted you!

[–]kangaujack 36 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 0 fun37 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I emailed the Working Partners at https://coolabi.com/about-us/#contact with the following:

I support Gillian Philip

Hello,

I have adored the Warrior Cats books from when I was in elementary school, and I was very dismayed to see that Gillian Philip was fired for supporting JK Rowling's right to free speech. There are very active communities online of trans rights activists who make it their hobby to brigade and mass spam companies about their 'transphobia,' and their goal is to censor any thought that doesn't completely go with their narrative. Ms. Philip should have the right to speak her mind and especially support the right to free speech. It greatly disappoints me that an author as talented as her would be censored.

I know you've already fired her, and so it is unlikely that you'd reverse your decision so soon, but please know that I will now be boycotting the Warrior books and any other properties your group produces, until you make it clear that you support the right to free speech.

Thank you for your time, [name]

[–]seminolehighlander 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You motivated me to write my own email (less eloquent, less well worded - but still). Thank you.

[–]kangaujack 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wonderful :)

[–]hellamomzilla 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Every time I hear about a woman getting fired or harrassed by these men who think that THEIR values are EVERYONE'S values, it makes me sick. I am not some slavering fan of Jon Ronson, the journalist, but he wrote a book called So You've Been Publicly Shamed. There are some real issues with it -- primarily that he is one of the people who did (and, even after researching and writing the book, still obviously DOES) wants to use Twitter and social media to shame people who he simply disagrees with. That's it. There's nothing more at stake than a stranger making an off-color or rude or politically disagreeable statement in public and he (like so many people) doesn't want to argue against it or block the person from his timeline/feed/whatnot -- he wants to END THEM.

But, he started talking to some of the people who've been ended (and it was too early for there to be a trans story at the time of his writing, really), and he began to have some compassion and feel badly for these people. They made a mistake or what they posted was taken too seriously and the mob destroyed and then the mob moved on because it's fun to destroy things and people. When you make a person into just a thing that they said and you hate what they said, you feel justified in wrecking them. Plus, there's the remove of people just being posts and not a real person who you are speaking directly to. He started to understand that doing this was wrong and was really a bad thing. It took his wife explaining how it's even MORE SO FOR WOMEN to get him to recognize that it's mostly men who do this wrecking and when they do it to women, it ALWAYS STICKS. (Men who don't apologize and weather the storm can often survive a social media mob, according to his research. Especially if it has anything to do with sex -- as in sexual fetishes and other sexual behaviors.)

This is just ridiculous. THIS is why free speech is important. It doesn't exist if, as an individual, you cannot express your beliefs and understandings of political situations (and holy fuck -- saying that males can be females IS POLITICAL). An author who writes children's books is allowed to have an adult life and have adult opinions and employers should have to tolerate them, especially if the person doesn't bring them into work. Full stop. It is not the responsibility of strangers who literally have no reason to care what some woman who writes kids books says. It doesn't affect their lives at all, that one person.

I simply cannot believe the craveness and cowardice of businesses. You are being directed by a bunch of people you likely want to have NOTHING TO DO WITH. If the managing editor had taken a half-hour to check in on the people braying for her job, we know what he would have found -- furries and trans fetishists talking about their bizarre sex lives and grooming children. And he caved because who wants to do the actual right thing when you can have a bunch of questionable human beings cheering for you?

Doing the right thing is usually hard.

[–]PassionateIntensity 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a great post. After this book Ronson...jumped on Team Trans Kool-aid.

[–]Nona_Biba 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

https://coolabi.com/about-us/#contact

How to contact Working Partners if you're so inclined ;)

[–]kangaujack 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Emailed them!

[–]madderthanhell 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks!

[–]kangaujack 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I love these books... This is horrible. These people are so cruel and mentally ill.

[–]Taralafya 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Emailed! Let's do this, this is one of my last straws! Fired for wrongthink, this is not China!

[–]anadventure 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I emailed them too. This should be challenged in court.

[–]marmorsymphata 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yall should mention in your emails that the same people calling in to get her fired were the ones sexually harassing her. You need to discredit the original complainants, not just disagree with them.

[–]montanagraey 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seeing as how, as someone else mentioned, that her ex-boss is unlikely to rehire her anytime soon, maybe we should also show her support her personally. http://www.gillianphilip.com/contact/

Maybe we can find out if she’s hurting from being fired and help her out somehow. We have to stick together and hold one another up...

[–]kuronekochan 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Unfortunately, the harassment of writers has been going on for a while, particularly in YA fiction.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/15/torn-apart-the-vicious-war-over-young-adult-books https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/feb/18/new-novel-about-dr-james-barry-sparks-row-over-victorians-gender-identity https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/29/books/amelie-wen-zhao-blood-heir.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/books/amelie-wen-zhao-blood-heir-keira-drake-continent-jonah-winter-secret-project.html

I'm not saying writers shouldn't face criticism, but this is more akin to harassment and silencing. Twitter mobs with no understanding of how literature and fiction work are trying to get books "cancelled" because they misunderstand them or dislike the subject matter. Usually they haven't even read the book.

It's a chilling environment for writers who explore difficult or complex themes. Nuance and ambiguity are necessary aspects of literature. How many great works of literature or even compelling books meet any kind of current standard for political correctness?

It seems female writers get harassed more and face more pressure to comply with the harassers. Naturally.

[–]Finnegan7921 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The face that anyone takes the opinion of Furries into account in making a decision such as this shows how far we've fallen as a society. People keep saying that Trump wants to take us back to the 1950s, at this point I'd settle for the late 2000s, where being overtly bigoted could get you in trouble, but before this insanity where "micoragressions", "misgendering", "triggering", etc. are all things that people accept as reality.

[–]seminolehighlander 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I sent the author a message of support and am sending a message to the publisher now.

[–]FoxBearAnt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Are there any websites - even blogs - laying out how this went down? I'd like to send this about on FB, Twitter, Spinster, etc., but would like to be able to link to something.

[–]PassionateIntensity 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can't find any, besides Mumsnet's thread with a cached link to the Twitter bust-up: https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3955475-Yet-another-woman-a-writer-sacked-after-TRA-campaign