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[–]fuckingsealions 40 insightful - 3 fun40 insightful - 2 fun41 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I don't say this very often, and who am I to give out cookies, BUT. Sincerely, thank you for listening. Your post makes me definitely open to hearing you.

I really think this acceptance is a hangover from gay rights being legislated so spectacularly. Young people now grew up during that period and saw how positive gay marriage has been in the sense that, yes, gay people are just regular people living their lives.

What is so strange to me now is the feeling I get that women are being punched down to. I know some gay men don't care for women in general and that's fine. But I haven't seen massive organized hate coming into feminist spaces or at celebrities from queer people, blown up on social media and the news for all to see. I have never felt like gay people wanted to displace my sex. That doesn't even make sense to me.

OP it's interesting that you mention your workplace. I'm blue collar, and work with very few women. I live in a liberal West coast city and I never hear guys I work with even clocking what's going on wrt the, uh, terfwars. I do have one co-worker who has a daughter who's transitioned recently, but he only seems to talk to me about the situation since I ooze liberal feminist. He wonders if it's "just a phase" since he's heard that's possible. I just listen, since I'm not there. My kid's got a lot of new fangled Zoomer things happening, but she's sure she's also an old school lesbian. 😄

[–]ZeWombat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I really think this acceptance is a hangover from gay rights being legislated so spectacularly. Young people now grew up during that period and saw how positive gay marriage has been in the sense that, yes, gay people are just regular people living their lives.

I've had this opinion for years now. I hate to say it, but at this point, I believe I'd give back some gay rights to have a do over on all the trans stuff.

The other reason for the relative quickness of trans acceptance (and even promotion?) is the internet/social media. Opinions and information can move around at a lightening pace. Back when I came out and started getting involved with some issues, just finding other gay people was a monumental task if you didn't know where to look.

[–]fuckingsealions 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I remember driving to my nearest large city and looking for gay local papers so I could know what was happening. New ideologies are formed in weeks now.