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[–]gparmesan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

you may enjoy The Madness of Crowds by Douglas Murray on this topic, very relevant

[–]Barber_Acrobatic 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm literally reading this right now. I'd seen him have a couple of interesting discussions about the whole 'gay', 'black', 'woman' etc. categorisations being seen as informing political/social/moral traits and decided to give it a read. So far it's definitely making me think, and even though I'm not agreeing with everything* so far it's worth the money. *given how I swallowed the trans stuff for so long hook line and sinker it's honestly a bit of relief to know that I'm not just swinging wildly to the right as I still retain a lot of my left leaning principles.

[–]gparmesan 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yep. I went in knowing I wouldn't agree with it all but I no longer give a fuck about that stuff after watching the purity spiral overtaking multiple parts of the left right now.

[–]Barber_Acrobatic 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Honestly I think not agreeing is a good thing and it's something we've forgotten how to do. I'm trying to seek out more stuff that I may clash with but take something useful from. That is to say, the sane parts of the right, I don't think I could draw anything from incel culture other than a general feeling of hopelessness.

The way he phrases and categorises things is excellent. If anything it goes to show how important terminology, the whole concept of moral purity is an idea I've definitely discussed with friends but lacked the short punchy summary to get the initial point across.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly I think not agreeing is a good thing and it's something we've forgotten how to do. I'm trying to seek out more stuff that I may clash with but take something useful from.

Yeah I saw my mother non-chalantly do this the other day and honestly it surprised me to see like, I didn't know people could just say "hmm that's interesting" and then "I don't think I agree with that part". It is like I'd forgotten.