An offering of some of my favorite links used to argue facts with TRAs

submitted by CaliforniGinger from self.GenderCritical

Why self ID does not work https://theconversation.com/why-self-identification-should-not-legally-make-you-a-woman-103372

Why separate bathrooms start https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Cover-Story/World-s-biggest-toilet-building-project-empowers-India-s-women

Long term study of trans people proving that SRS does NOT lower male criminal patterns to near female patterns https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

14 Rules of Mysogyny: https://www.facebook.com/RadFemCollective/posts/14-rules-of-misogyny1st-rule-of-misogyny-women-are-responsible-for-what-men-do2n/1610688362390104/

Men are built to pack a punch https://twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1225497273808883712

Drastic sports differences http://boysvswomen.com/#/

Actual murder rates in UK https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk & https://fairplayforwomen.com/trans-murder-rates/

Tricksy title :) https://medium.com/@clsmiley/transwomen-are-women-or-else-a996e4ac02c5

Oppression because of our reproductive capacity https://twitter.com/lblwcri/status/955021948660183042 and https://twitter.com/ariana_erbon/status/1213158586970443783

Assaults https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

The torturous, barbaric regimes used to keep women down https://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/10/04/this-is-how-they-broke-our-grandmothers/

TRA = MRA https://wlrnmedia.wordpress.com/2020/06/19/trans-rights-are-mens-rights-no-wonder-they-clash-with-feminists/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Video of many many sexually motivated crimes by trans people https://vimeo.com/263005351

You have power as a woman, that's why they try to shut you up https://victimfocusblog.com/2020/06/18/to-my-radical-feminist-sisters/

Incoherent definitions of “woman” https://thehelenjoyce.com/what-is-a-woman/

Prominent bad actor TRAs https://twitter.com/radicalhag/status/1259463954662854657

Are TERFs responsible for trans murders? https://twitter.com/davecoviddave/status/1270628649155395587

Trojan penis of male rapist rights archive.is/gIz5d

Tactics TRAs use deliberately https://archive.is/weVYH

Puberty blockers https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/01/59422/ and https://twitter.com/TwisterFilm/status/1222662654277365760

Rich white dudes funding TRA https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/ and https://medium.com/@sue.donym1984/inauthentic-selves-the-modern-lgbtq-movement-is-run-by-philanthropic-astroturf-and-based-on-junk-d08eb6aa1a4b

Extreme violent images in parades https://imgur.com/a/MQxkPe5

How meds can change a whole society unwittingly https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200108-the-medications-that-change-who-we-are

Some examples of pervs in women's spaces https://issydickinson.com/2019/12/28/trans-identified-males-and-womens-single-sex-spaces/

Wishy washy “leftist” men https://medium.com/@helensaxby1/public-statement-from-famous-lefty-man-1618b648f7a4

Susie Green founder of Mermaids is homophobic https://twitter.com/LilyLilyMaynard/status/1218184415211401218

Transparadoxes https://www.womenarehuman.com/transparadoxes-self-contradictions-of-the-gender-identity-movement/

Original nonbinary man has embraced biology again and found better mental health http://archive.is/tvzzE

Trans men still can't inherit titles and estates https://twitter.com/with_rhymes/status/1207817614493409280

Ladies rooms and the haven they are https://medium.com/@meanwhileipaint/ladies-rooms-i-have-loved-before-61334fe2603e

Edit: Screenshot of male violence rates https://imgur.com/a/x1qdUz9

Screenshot of vulnerability breakdown https://imgur.com/a/0qw7ZU6

POV "terf in my mentions" https://radfemrebecca.com/2019/10/06/terfinmymentions/

A Review of the Status of Brain Structure Research in Transsexualism https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-016-0768-5

Doing Better In Arguments About Sex and Gender (Kathleen Stock): http://archive.is/1UfUY

I'm glad you guys are enjoying the compilation and if anyone has a copy of the thread that was titled "On the assault rate in female prisons," PLEASE share it! It was such a valuable thread showing how TIMs committed 20x more assaults than women when placed in women's prisons and I can't find it on wayback!

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[–]divingrightintowork 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a great one that went around, I can't recall tthe url but it was something simple like sexnotgender or sexandgender?

Also - videos from here - The Paradox Institute - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6S9ILscXpzh2RQLKMJMnTw

"Are there more than two human sexes?" "In defense of biological sex" "WHy sex is a binary" "The Intersex Gambit."

All worth a watch -

Zach Elliot's Twitter is good (guy behind paradox inst) - https://twitter.com/zaelefty

Sex and Gender Intro is amazing - it covers pretty much everything

https://sexandgenderintro.com/

[–]Rag3 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for this!

[–]snub-nosedmonkey 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Another important one: Transgender people's brains do not match the sex to which they identify with, a 2016 review of many studies into transgender brain structures: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-016-0768-5

Note: There does appear to be a certain brain phenotype associated with transgender people, but it's important to note this is after hormone treatment. Most of the studies in the review have post-hormone treatment subjects. There is one study in that review that did include pre-hormone subjects, concluded that "their data did not support the notion that the nonhomosexual MtF brain was feminized", although interestingly "the cortex of nonhomosexual MtFs presents morphological peculiarities in regions in which male and female controls do not differ."

[–]CaliforniGinger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks!!

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you so much for this!

[–]Middx 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just to say the clicky link in this reference didn't come out properly

Trojan penis of male rapist rights archive.is/gIz5d

[–]Moirawr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Isn’t twitter cracking down on dissent? Might want to back up those links.

[–]CaliforniGinger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup, I will be doing that soon, it'll take a while though - some of them are very long threads.

[–]TherealSimbul 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bookmarking this. Thank you.

[–]khodi7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Long term study of trans people proving that SRS does NOT lower male criminal patterns to near female patterns and that SRS actually INCREASES risk of suicide long term. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

About that study. Since it compares post-SRS trans people to the general population and not to pre-SRS trans people, it does not show that SRS increases risk of suicides.

To cite the "Strengths and limitations of the study" part of the "Discussion" section of the study:

For the purpose of evaluating the safety of sex reassignment in terms of morbidity and mortality, however, it is reasonable to compare sex reassigned persons with matched population controls. The caveat with this design is that transsexual persons before sex reassignment might differ from healthy controls (although this bias can be statistically corrected for by adjusting for baseline differences). It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexuals persons health after sex reassignment; no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism.

[–]littlerbear 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Awesome! This is incredibly valuable.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you so much!

[–]FurfyFurtyFur 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Doing Better In Arguments About Sex and Gender (Kathleen Stock): http://archive.is/1UfUY

[–]Anavirable 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These are great resources! Is there a way to create a wiki on Saidit? This would be a good jumping off point to rebuild our Reddit wiki.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. Saved!

[–]-thedarkhorse- 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Bottom line, transgenderism is psychosis and needs to be treated as such, because when it isn't, then you have to admit these insane people into broader society, where they wreak all kinds of havoc.

[–]missyou2017 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not psychosis, lol. It's closer to narcissism.

[–]littlerbear 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed.

[–]purrfect 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

YAY! Thank you! I had so many threads saved! All of that is gone and it's breaking my heart.

[–]NextNinjaTurtle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're a rock star! Thanks for sharing

[–]crodishr/gc and Ovarit refugee 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

How would you suggest debating someone who insist "feminism is for ALL women, and that includes transwomen" without using "woman is an adult human female"? I'm so tired of seeing this because they already blatantly ignore the latter, so telling them "you have to be a biological woman to be a feminist / feminism is for biological females" flies over their head or else falls on deaf ears.

[–]ComfortableEqual 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It can be helpful to point out that trans experiences are different and trying to force trans into their desired category actually erases trans experience. It's a tricksy one but has worked in the past. It also helps keep trans men in focus, who u do genuinely think are ignored as they are biologically women.

Old school transsexuals where also taught that the changing of secondary sex characteristics did not make them their desired sex, so what has changed? Ask a few questions about the difference between sex and gender.

Also rather than repeatedly adding to the destabilising of what it means to be a woman, focus on what it means to be a man and exactly at what point do they stop being a man? Usually some bollocks about 'in the wrong body' is then said and it's quite fun to then ask if they believe in gendered souls...

Essentially keep asking questions that destabilise and seek 'clarity'. If there not too far gone the questioning usually gets them thinking.

[–]CaliforniGinger[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's a tough one, they tend to be like Jameela and have cotton ears. I'd suggest you ask them to define woman, which they will only occasionally try to do. Otherwise they'll give some vague fluffy definition and you can ask them how come all the babies and children and women who have been mutilated, abused, and killed because of their sex weren't allowed to transition out of being female? Were they just not smart enough? Why are they blaming those vulnerable innocents for their own oppression, tortures, and murder? At that point I usually get blocked, but hopefully other people have seen the discussion and it plants seeds.

[–]crodishr/gc and Ovarit refugee 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

"A woman is anyone who identifies as a woman."

"But what is a 'woman'?"

"A woman is anyone who identifies as a woman."

repeat to infinity and beyond

Their logic is so exhausting...

[–]littlerbear 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tell them that women don't have penises and when they say 'what about post op trans women?' tell them that a surgically altered penis is still a penis. If they persist, ask them if they want you to specify what else is used to line a functional hole in a man's crotch. If they keep going, remind the individual that an actual vagina is not lined with penis, scrotum, tilapia skin or colon. And, you can always circle back to 'if you're a woman in the first place, why'd you have your penis removed? Women never have to have their penises removed because we don't have penises.' As unpalatable as some of these discussions can be, they do indeed get the point across.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why argue with the insane though. That's a losing proposition.

[–]theysaidthat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for all these resources.

[–]Briar_Rose 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you! <3

[–]TheGreatLeon 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Does anyone know how Title IX works in the age of gender fluidity?

What’s to stop a men’s team from declaring themselves women to try and protect against cuts? Their own honesty?

[–]Smitt 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for this! The Transparadoxes especially is a great read

[–]Elvie-Heterodoxy 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for this.

[–]InvisibleWoman 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wonderful! Thank you so much for sharing this

[–]inarared 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trans men still can't inherit titles and estates So anything goes?

[–]RevoltingHag 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is such a helpful list, thank you! I was so sad to lose all of my saved posts on GenderCritical.

[–]Realwoman 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for this.

[–]gparmesan 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you so much! I knew the women of GC would come through. You guys inspire me.