GenderCritical

GenderCritical

IOC must act to protect women’s sport, says presidential candidate Sebastian Coe
ChaikiKarabli 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

Coe is the way to go!

Welcome ovarit readers!
ginger 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

I finally just joined here from ovarit. Hi everyone.

I’m curious to find out how this website differs in vibe from ovarit.

Rogan, Musk and an emboldened manosphere salute Trump’s win: ‘Let that sink in’
Doberlady 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

Men have always been trash and are always happy to demonstrate that.

It's the women who failed to vote for Kamala or didn't vote at all that I have questions about.

On Transgender Issues, Voters Want Common Sense
Doberlady 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

It's behind a paywall. Anyone want to copy it or give us a TLDR?

After Trump’s win, some women are considering the 4B movement | CNN
Doberlady 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun 2 months ago

I read what the 4Bs were and realized that I've been doing 4B for my whole life by accident! 😆

Some in trans community are concerned for the future with 2nd Trump presidency
Doberlady 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

Gay men are targetted by physically violent homophobes and those exact same types of people are going to by physically violent to men who dress up in women's clothes and wear make-up etc.

You're right.

Database of men taking women's sports awards
Doberlady 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

Excellent work to whoever made this.

Database of men taking women's sports awards
ChaikiKarabli 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

Excellent resource!

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’
ChaikiKarabli 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

Agreed. I'd been on r/gendercritical since almost its inception (lurked from day one) and been involved in radfem communities since 15-20 years ago even though at the time I was only about 70% on the same page. Now I am about 95% on the same page and yet a bulk of vocal posters there would consider me rightwing even though I support socialized healthcare amongst other essential services, am an atheist sex-nonconforming disabled lesbian against porn and prostitution and prescriptive sex roles generally, am ardently pro-choice (although since I do think is reasonable to restrict 3rd trimester abortions without medical reasons, because as rare as that is, law should account for edge cases and people saying "it literally NEVER happens but it's also evil to ban it" sound like TRAs even though female sociopathy is far less common of course than male perversion).

But I dare say I don't know which would be the lesser evil in the long run or that people voting for Trump were not all motivated by misogyny, racism, and stupidity (even though these certainly played a part), but while I didn't vote him in, my life was better under Trump for the gender reason alone and likely will be again, so I can see how others who are similarly positioned would be motivated by that, and that is enough to brand me as surely a Trump supporter.

Which is fine, I don't care that some misunderstand where I'm coming from. I don't understand why anyone cares whether they are considered a true feminist, a true lefty, a real man, a real Star Trek fan, whatever. None of that is important to my self- concept, only that I continually reevaluate my ethical stances for internal logical consistency and external correspondence with objective reality, and how my actions stack up against those.

So I don't understand self-censoring for the sake of avoiding arguments (as opposed to needing to put food on the table or stay out of jail) but of course we came from communities where this was the norm, only I've been out of that since about two weeks after getting in an echo chamber 20 years ago, refused to edit my thoughts about the gender delusion. I can't fathom why some say they would prefer an echo chamber as if it is truly inevitable, which is such an anti- intellectual stance, particularly when saying it's difficult to stomach seeing an article criticizing where the Dems went wrong. Isn't that essentially the purpose of our gendercritical fora, just more general to the parties of other countries that support this quasireligion?

How can we reform the leftwing parties if we don't hold their feet to the fire? One reason I said Trump winning might be the lesser evil is that I thought it might be the only thing that would push the party leadership to begin to distance themselves from this weight around the neck and work for the people again. The longer they don't reform on gender crap, the longer we are without a viable left. If I really wanted a rightwing government, I would encourage the Dems to stay the course. Why do you think the Republicans waited so long to use this in presidential attack ads when there was so much crazy out there already, including the photo of Ludwig towering over the women's basketball team? Think Trump's advisors just learned about how deep the rabbit hole goes? Think again. It's been clear since their odd silence of 2020 that they were sitting on this, letting it truly blow up so they could nuke the Dems in 2024. I also feared that others would be correct in the prediction that a Trump win would result in the Democrats further digging in heels.

I don't care what others would label me as. I would be happy to engage them in discussion and learn more of their perspectives to see other sides, but this is most productive when they are also open to seeing my perspectives in three dimensions, not just as radfem-or-not, left-or-not, etc.

Database of men taking women's sports awards
xoenix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

Results -> Choose sport gives you filtered/sortable lists.

Welcome ovarit readers!
soundsituationmeow 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

This may not be much to go on, but, judging by some of her recent comments she seems pretty stable and balanced. I wonder if she is just one of those people who feels the need to control others but isn't an ideologue; strange combination if so.

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community"
censorshipment 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

What I don't like about this idea is the youth in need may be made to feel like they owe whoever helps them out. Something like this (a charity organization?) may be an unfortunate gateway to sex trafficking...

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community"
MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

In major "LGBTQ"-friendly cities in the USA such as NYC and San Francisco, organizations like Covenant House, Ali Forney Center, Hetrick Martin Institute and Larkin Street Youth have been offering housing and all sorts of practical help to LGBT youth who end up homeless and in need for decades.

Covenant House has been doing this since the early 1970s, Hetrick Martin since the dawn of the 80s, Larkin Street since 1984, Forney since 2002.

https://www.covenanthouse.org

https://www.aliforneycenter.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Forney_Center

https://hmi.org

https://larkinstreetyouth.org

IGN getting roasted on Instagram for posting about J.K. Rowling's anti-transgender rhetoric
xoenix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

Screenshot with the first few comments.

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community"
whateverneverpine[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

I know of a couple young same-sex attracted youth who got kicked out and/or fracture with family, and it has made life extra difficult for them. I guess I'm wondering why/angry that LGB didn't pivot towards really providing targeted support to those LGB young people who still ARE being kicked out. I don't really have the numbers, but there are plenty of religious fundamentalists, in the US at least, and that seems to be a factor in young people out there on their own, in this horrendous (my opinion) economy, if you're just starting out.

Volleyball players sue Mountain West over transgender controversy
whateverneverpine 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

I love this lawsuit. It has breadth, depth, and most if not all of the transgender issues are being touched upon. Plenty for a judge to rule on.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’
Gritobo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

Yup. In that case, even, the issue is the doping, not the gender identity, which is all that trans is.

On Transgender Issues, Voters Want Common Sense
worried19[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 2 months ago

Here's an archive link for anyone hitting the paywall: https://archive.ph/0tFdz

Glad to see something like this in the New York Times, although of course it's by Pamela Paul, who I think is their lone gender critical journalist. Lots of excellent points made.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’
worried19 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun 2 months ago

Thanks, I've been good. Looks like Ovarit is back now, so I'm sure this place will get quiet again. I'm glad for Ovarit, but I do worry sometimes because it's such an echo chamber. I miss talking to the other side. And yeah, I can understand why you'd be reluctant to comment much there.

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community"
MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 3 months ago

I think it's always great for different demographic groups with special interests and those who support them to form new organizations to meet specific needs of the group as those needs arise and/or become apparent. That's how/why people decided to start organizations like Gay Liberation Front, GLAAD, Gay Men's Health Crisis, ACT UP, PFLAG, the National Center for Lesbian Rights, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association, Athlete Ally, the Hetrick-Martin Institute, Trevor Project, Stonewall, Mermaids, Trangender Law Center, Harry Benjamin Society-WPATH in the first place - and it's why in recent years other people have decided to start newer organizations like LGB Alliance, LGBTQ Courage Coalition, Gays Against Groomers.

But as a general rule, I am always very leery when any organization set up for one reason/set of reasons decides to stray from its original mission and begins offering services and getting into areas that are a far cry from the organization's original remit and no one at the organization is qualified to get involved in.

I think one of the many reasons that today's so-called "LGBTQ youth" have unprecedented levels of poor mental health is because organizations that began as political campaigning/advocacy groups aimed at securing and protecting gay rights - like Stonewall in the UK and GLAAD and Trevor Project in the USA - decided to to branch out and present themselves to the world as experts in areas they are supremely unqualified to have a say in - education policy including pedagogical approaches and the content of what's taught in schools; early child and adolescent development; best childrearing practices; anti-bullying; suicide prevention; etiquette, especially around personal pronouns and the language used to describe people; sports eligibility policies; methods of promoting "diversity and inclusion" in schools and workplaces; the kind of books/literature, toys, games, films and entertainment fare and media that's appropriate for children and is in children's best interests; the design, allocation and management of facilities in schools, workplaces and other settings outside the home that traditionally have been sex-segregated like restrooms, locker rooms, fitting rooms, shelters, refuges, prisons, barracks.

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community"
MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 3 months ago

ETA: Right off the top of my head, I can think of a number of "LGBTQ" adults in North America and the UK who've been in the news in recent years who've remained living with their mothers/parents into adulthood, or have returned to live with their mother/parent in adulthood when their adult lives didn't turn out as well as they hoped, or when they found themselves in need of parental help - Jonathan Yaniv, Danielle Muscato, Audrey Hale, Ragehell McKinnon/Veronica Ivy, Chris Chan, Freddie Gray.

I get the impression that many of the youth and adult "LGBTQ" influencers I've come across online are still living with their mother/parents.

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community"
MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 3 months ago

lots of our youth get kicked out of the house

OP, can you share exactly where you find this to to be the case today? You don't say what continent, country, region, local area you're speaking of where it's customary in 2024 for "lots of our youth" to "get kicked out of the house" for being "LGB" and/or "TQ" (or for claiming to be).

I'm not doubting that there are youth today who get kicked out of their homes for being, or claiming to be, same-sex attracted or "TQ." It's just that it's much more likely to happens in some parts of the world and certain regions of individual countries than others.

In the part of the USA where I live, I do not believe it's a common occurrence for parents/guardians to kick their minor-age or young adult offspring out of their homes for being same-sex attracted or "TQ."

In fact, in many parts of the Western world today, a significant chunk of youth and full-grown adults of all sexual orientations are living with their childhood families/in their childhood homes and remaining materially, financially and emotionally dependent on their parents/guardians much longer than was typical 40, 50, 60 years ago. In many places, it's extremely common today for parents, grandparents, guardians to have their children still living at home with them when the children are in their 20s, 30s and beyond due to factors like the high cost of living/housing; scarcity of housing and especially certain kinds of housing; MH and PH problems; addiction; the breakdown of the adult children's relationships/marriages; and "failure to launch" syndrome. This is true regardless of the younger family members' sexual orientation and/or "gender identity."

or have no contact with their homophobic/unaccepting families

I think it's a big mistake to assume or allege that that when youth who are, or who claim to be, "LGB" and/or "TQ" have no contact with their families nowadays, it's because their families are "homophobic/unaccepting." Plenty of young people who are, or claim to be, "LGBTQ" today have decided of their own volition to go "no contact" with their parents, guardians, siblings because of disagreements about politics and personal choices and behaviors. Their estrangement from their families, or certain members of their families, is not necessarily because the family members were/are "homophobic/unaccepting" of them for being, or claiming to be, LGB or "TQ."

Gender-critical activist Maya Forstater faced 'Kafkaesque' hate crime investigation
xoenix[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 3 months ago

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community"
xoenix 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 3 months ago

Remember that this narrative is fueled by the fact that a lot of so-called "LGBTQ+ youth" were abused before they fell into the Q. This is a pipeline for them.