Confusion With Ace Attorney Investigations 2 Case 3 (The Proof Of Mixing Normallium and Fatallium)

submitted by CompleteDoubterII from self.Gaming

In the game Ace Attorney Investigations 2, Case 3, you have to prove that Fatallium and Normallium mixed. The answer the game wants you to give is the fact that there is a pink liquid next to where the poison gas supposedly came from, and that would fit with the mixing of the red Normallium and white Fatallium, as red and white make pink. However, when mixed, they form a poison gas, so why is the mixture a liquid? The 'proof' is here at 49 minutes and 20 seconds in, but one minute later the game acknowledges it is not a real proof. Still, I am not sure how the theory proposed is possible, which the game acts like.

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[–]Mnemonic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I only played EVERYTHING (including Ace Attorney Investigations 1) BUT Ace Attorney investigations 2 never came out officially in english.. So I wouldn't know about it game wise...

But (again, I don't know details going further than you present) when mixing Ammonia and Bleach you get Mustard Gas BUT this doesn't happen RIGHT AWAY -> there is a liquid that reacts to become Mustard gas.

Also in the case of your case it can mean that certain stuff from the chemicals transmute to gas while the rest stays in liquid/solid form -> AKA the reaction can transform the molecular structures of the chemicals in such a way that a liquid remains and a gas erupts.

[–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The proof is here at 49 minutes and 20 seconds in.

If you want to play the game, download a Nintendo DS Emulator and download a ROM of the game. There's an emulator called DeSmuMe, which I use, and I downloaded a ROM. I myself do not remember where I downloaded it from, and the read-me file says it was downloaded from Nitroblog, but I cannot find it there. I believe I downloaded it from Cdromance due to the reported size of the download matching with my download's size.

[–]Mnemonic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Ah an english patch! I have an DS lite with rom card. This could work, I did play a Patched FFIV version (Japanese audio but English text). Thanks, I'll look it up.

But that also might explain why i doesn't make sense: Something got lost in translation. These games have a great English writer team (normally when it's done official) to make the puns fit the story and make jokes work etc. It could very well be that the Japanese was a little too advanced for a good translation by these fans.

[–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I might have actually downloaded the ROM from here, as that is in my bookmarks. Just to let you know.

[–]Mnemonic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks! Not soon (as I just started Person3Fes on the Ps3 and I don't have much game time) but I will play it!

[–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're welcome.

[–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Wait, you can play this game on the DS? How? I'd love to stop selling my soul to Microsoft to play this game (I'm aware that any of the DSes probably have some spyware, but it's probably less than a modern Windows 10 computer).

With regards to this suggestion, that makes sense. If somebody cares to, he/she could contact the translation team and ask them about it. I probably won't go that far.

[–]Mnemonic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can do with (on a Ds original or Ds-lite, the Dsi had some extra drm protection that I don't know how to deal with because I never had to) a 'R4' card (aka a rom card, I have another version... forgot the name) which is like a game-card only you can put a micro-sd in it (up to 8gb) with roms and software to run it.

https://www.r43ds.org/products/R4-SDHC.html is an example.

[–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

With regards to your solution, it doesn't make sense to me. From both high school chemistry and just a reasonable assumption, it would be fair to say that the state of the chemicals depends on the temperature of the room, and not anything else. While the liquid can thusly be explained away by assuming the gas heater was used around the liquid, making that region warmer and thus the chemical(s) went through condensation, becoming liquid, this is only under the assumption that Normallium and Fatallium were mixed. I still see no evidence for it. One minute after the 'proof', the game acknowledges it is not a real proof. But the game should somehow acknowledge the liquid, and somehow explain it away.

I feel it is bad writing to not acknowledge that in any way, and to ask the player to find a proof for something but then the desired answer isn't actually a proof, and not explain away a possible flaw in the system.

[–]patrickgraham 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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