Division 2 – Ubisoft Star Player behaving badly – Natalie-Aussie

submitted by subsequent3 from self.Gaming

I’m not fighting with this person, I’m just making a stand for treating people correctly (in the world or online) and behaving at an acceptable level. I understand that different people have different interpretation of what is acceptable.

In my opinion certain types of behaviour is unacceptable and causes issues and will continue to cause issues over time, within a team/group/clan/guild or community. I’ve been involved in online games for 15 years now. In WoW days I have been a Raid Officer and Recruitment Office in guilds from 40-80 people, casual to semi-pro, achieve world 4th in Raid clear and Oceanic 2nd.

I’ve see bad behaviour and dramas many times, and with experience got to know the types of behaviour that causes splits and fragmentation issues within groups and high performance teams. The current issues I see with behaviour, maybe I’m being too hard/set in my ways, but I’ve been around long enough to know that I don’t want anything to do with people that treat others poorly. General lack of respect for others, lack of common courtesy, poor online and raid etiquette, users and abusers – I don’t have time for any of that.

The details and context:

1) Natalie ditch her Clan’s raid to go raid with another clan (LOC), this left her clan a player short which took 30mins to fill before Raid could start: Ditching the clan speaks for itself.

2) In one session: o Natalie held up a Raid from starting, for around 15mins as she was on a phone call. o Natalie gave an Eagle Bearer (EB) away to a junior Clan member over a more senior Clan member o Natalie rage quit Clan’s Discord

There was a Speed run group running/testing at 7pm, Natalie and 2 others were signed up for Raid 7:30. At 7:30 the Speed-run guys decide to stop and support the Clan Raid (do the right thing by the clan…), then re-start Speed-run group again after the Clan Raid.

So there were 7 people in the Raid, 3 people waiting for Raid to finish. Natalie is off on the phone for close to 15mins holding 10 people up. At the start of the Raid it was discussed that there were 2 people without EB – Mr R & Mr BS, Mr R is due next.

Based on standard practice and raid etiquette (given no progression requirements in play), drops go to either agreed player or more senior player 1st. Natalie gave the EB to Mr BS, Mr BS had only been at the Clan 3-4weeks. Mr R has been at the Clan longer, has assisted in Raid Progression, had run Natalie through on her first Raid clear and many times after. Yet she chose to treat him poorly. If the tables were turned and Mr R had EB to give, and gave to Mr BS, Natalie would have been pi$$ed (probably rage quit based on current history).

When Raid finished – players left her group, some finished for night, some to return to Speed-run. Natalie got pi$$ed and rage quit Clan Discord.

She sent messages about being unfairly treated as people left group. Clannies had to pander to her to get her to come back, yet she was the one that cr@ped over the Clan and Clan Member, she spat the dummy and through her toys out the cot. She has never apologised to Clan or Clannie for actions.

3) Natalie made a bitchy comment about one of the Clan members as she logged off, after she was carried through a Flawless Raid:

About 2weeks from Natalie’s dummy spit, Clan group was going to run someone through the Raid for Flawless achievement, it was Natalie. While running someone through for an achievement who doesn’t deserve it… treats the Clan and a member badly, made me feel dirty and discussed. I helped anyway.

After Raid completed and I left, I’m advised by other member that Natalie says an ‘odd’ ‘bitchy’ comment, possibly in reference to me. So much for being grateful for being carried through everything for from first Raid completions to Flawless achievement…

It was at this point I raised the issues with some of the Clan, that I was not happy supporting a person that treats other poorly. I won’t stand for it in the world, I won’t stand for it online.

4) Natalie changed from ‘Accepted’ (she was the 1st to sign-up days earlier) in Scheduled Raid to ‘Decline’ about 15mins prior to Raid start – as she didn’t was to raid with new people. Ditching the clan and a new player speaks for itself, but even more so when Natalie has been the one that’s always been carried and looked after previously but now won’t help others in the clan…

It was later that night, when asked why didn’t you Raid? She responded ‘there were new people’. It was only 1 new person signed-up (and he had the clan helping him gear up for the week prior) and she CBF helping when many people have gone out of their way to help her. Incredibly poor form IMO!

While these issues are not earth scattering by themselves – it does illustrate a pattern of behaviour and attitude. I’m my experience this only leads to more dramas over time and effecting teams and groups, to a point when good people and good players move on. I believe it’s already starting to divide the members of the clan.

Comments from others:

##Last Sunday at 9:46 AM

I was not impressed with Nats response last night why she bailed. "There were new people".

##Last Sunday at 10:57 AM

Nat's issue is quid pro quo - she seems happy enough to get a flawless run, but when asked maybe to do some actual work...shirks.

Last Sunday at 11:01 AM

Disappointing to hear, but I think you might be right. Wanting the achievements and notoriety that the clan can help produce, but not the helping and training of others. I hope thats not the case.

####Last Sunday at 11:01 AM

Nat doesn't respond much if you try to talk to her...so you try to make the effort and get no response

Generally treating people poorly online should not be ignored – people should not put there head in the sandy. People and the community need to make a stand for values and not condoned poor behaviour.

It goes to show that being a Ubisoft Star Player, doesn’t translate into being a nice person.

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[–]ThomasAquinas 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Dude you just sound bitter and take the whole clan thing way to seriously. This isn't military ranks here, it's pve gaming. Everyone rage quits in video games and gets frustrated. That fact that you have to go on websites to cry says more about your interest in drama than the people involved. Oh no they gave an EB to a junior member!! Cry me a river. Try getting one yourself and then you can decide who gets it. If anything you have given your clan a bad name and stop using the Star player label to make your case more impactful. That has nothing even to do with your bitch baby attitude.

[–]Quaker_ 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly screeching about it the way you do seems incredibly childish. It's a video game. Not only is it a video game, but as a human being they are free to go do whatever they want. Nothing you have presented here seems especially rude or undeserving of a "star player" status person.

If anything it seems you're making a case for being salty and jealous. I recommend you take some time for some self reflection. Looks like you need it more than the Natalie person. Not everything revolves around you. This post radiates small penis energy like no other. Jesus.

[–]Nutter110 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

wow the 2 comments seem really strange, almost attacking someone that has detailed events and seems to be making a moral stand. Seems they dont have the intellect to understand whats being expressed or just immature. No real argument provided....

To me the person seems to be talking about how someone disrespected others online and their clan... Just because its a video game doesn't mean is ok to treat people poorly, that was clearly called out. Are they crying? again it just seems like they issues havnt been addressed to start with so its gone on... ThomasAquinas - how do you know this person has not already got an EB? The person talks about in details between other parties, not them-self... I don't see anything about the Clan name in here? The poor part is that the Clan havnt addressed the issue I'd suspect, but there are comments listed from others, assuming clan members that don't condone the behaviour by the looks...

The 'bitch baby attitude' seems to be coming from ThomasAquinas... I would have expected the Ubisoft Star players are held to a high code of conduct.

Calling someone out on penis size? please, how do you know the poster is male? Like wise with those poorly constructed statement how do we know if Quaker_ is not a Clan member or Natalie-Aussie?

[–]Quaker_ 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That irony when you're talking about intellect and at the same time insinuating that small penis energy is directly a claim against the size of their genitals. In order for me to argue against the claims presented they have to actually be claims. Saying dumb ass shit like "Natalie says something bitchy" is not a valid argument for mistreatment. Nor is complaining about a lack of respect to seniority when it comes to loot passing. That just sounds silly. So if OP want's to present actual evidence rather than "she said something bitchy" I'm all ears. Until then it just sounds like you're trying to soothe your lover's bruised ego, champ. Poorly constructed statement? Lol. Might want to check your boy.

[–]Quaker_ 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Just so we're clear, let's take it a step further OP. How about instead of attempting to feign validity, let's actually get some meat and potatoes behind the argument. Rather than posting your personal diary excerpts (TODAY AT 9:45 NATALIE WAS A MEAN HEAD!!!!!) Let's take it to the realm of reality. Where are screenshots? where is anything to actually give your claim validity other than your bitter rantings? I'm waiting OP.

[–]Quaker_ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No? Nothing? Didn't think so.

[–]Quaker2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Quaker_ your giving true Quakers a bad name. The OP supplied that much detail, its highly unlikely that its made up. Common Sense... Your the one that started by slinging insults that undermines your credibility. Seems like your the one that's cut the must out of this. If you keep the contradictions and insults going, please reframe from using the Quaker name. This is most disappointing and doesn't reflect the true nature of a Quaker. It really just seems like your trying to misdirect and muddy the water. Your trolling under the guise of someone that knows better & aims higher. Which by the nature of your comments and way you have represented yourself is false.

If your truly after fairness and justice, it means revealing a lot more details in public. If there is hard evidence beside witnesses, I'm sure this will damage more that just Natalie Bird.

This whole thing seems like 1 person causing issues with their inconsiderate poor behaviour of others and then now more poor behaviour buy a Quaker impersonator.

[–]Quaker_ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't really care about your opinion of me, what I'm giving a bad name to, or my credibility. It really doesn't impact me one way or another. Let's see some real proof other than one side's clumsily assembled rant and have it out. Btw, if you're going to pretend to take the high road and act intelligent, at least use spell check or you know, proof read a bit. Thanks, love.

[–]Gunston 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't really care for this, but when you see people staring to get into it Morality and that ...., can get interesting. Then the Quaker stuff wtf is that, I had to Google. I hope this gets picked up by some ethics streamers to detail and debate! The cover-ups, the intrigue, the big guys vs little guys and all that.... ooohhhh

I see Quaker2 point, Quaker_ has some issues. BTW how do you know if the OP has even returned or review this? Assumptions - make an a$$ out of people lol Calling someone out in forum for not replying to you - this sh1t just keeps getting better. I'm grabbing popcorn...

[–]Quaker_ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're adorable. Honestly. Stay golden, pony boy.