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[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Maybe I’m missing something, but what would be creepy, wrong, or disrespectful towards women about a boy receiving earrings for Christmas? I don’t think that GC would have a problem with that.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. Nothing wrong, creepy or disrespectful to women about about boys/men getting earrings for Christmas or any other occasion - or about them wearing earrings, either.

Lots of men in various cultures including Western cultures have worn earrings in the course of history. During the era when Europeans travelled the seas in great sailing ships, men who worked as seamen and as pirates, for example.

In more recent eras, plenty of men have worn earrings too. To wit:

Brian Eno, early 70s: https://twitter.com/dark_shark/status/960034160973774853/photo/1

David Bowie, early 70s: https://twitter.com/dark_shark/status/977075128201654272/photo/1

[–]citydweller1[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I don't know what's creepy and wrong about it, but when I was 8 the adults in my life did, and they were never willing to explain why. It's always bothered me, so I wanted to ask people who are against male gender nonconformity why they thought it was wrong.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why do you say we are at all against male gender nonconformity?

[–]citydweller1[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Usually when I see GC content randomly floating on social media, instead of looking for it in real literature and on debate platforms like this, it's people criticizing and mocking gender nonconforming males under the assumption that their appearance implies they are trans.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you think that random screenshots from people who may or may not have gender critical views is really the best way to understand what gender criticism actually is?

A man who wears a dress is fine. A man who wears a dress and claims that doing so is womanhood is extremely sexist. I’d be doing a disservice if I treated people like Alok Venon or J Yaniv as authorities on gender identity, and I feel you are doing a disservice by ignoring gender critical content for anecdotes from people who might just be being a bully.

[–]citydweller1[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you think that random screenshots from people who may or may not have gender critical views is really the best way to understand what gender criticism actually is?

Certainly not. I wouldn't want to suggest that opposition to male GNC expression is an element of mainstream gender critical feminist thinking, that'd simply be untrue. On the other hand, I figured if anyone knew how opposition to male GNC expression could fit in a feminist framework rather than as an iteration of misogynistic stereotypes etc... then there's a good chance it'd be someone in this crowd.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, gender critical feminism is absolutely not against gender nonconforming boys and men. Gender nonconformity is natural, normal, human experience.

Assigning a sex to items like earrings or hammers or colours is nonsensical. It can’t be described to you in a sensible way. There’s no sense or logic behind it, just sex stereotypes all the way down.

A man who wears a dress is doing nothing to women, we don’t care at all. There’s nothing about it that says anything other than this man wears his clothes. When a man puts on the dress and declares he is a woman because he is doing something his culture has associated as “woman’s thing” he is defining women as anyone who participates in his warped idea of what womanhood is.

There is no offence or disgust when a man simply does his thing. Nobody here is bothered if a dude enjoys crochet or frocks.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

so I wanted to ask people who are against male gender nonconformity why they thought it was wrong.

Then you came to the wrong place to ask. Though, honestly, I think you would have to ask your parents. We all here could speculate about their behaviour, but they are the only ones who know the answer.