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    [–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Do you really think I hate trans people? I’m literally a transsexual and was a feminine boy who had dysphoria. My beliefs about are very much informed by compassion and empathy toward children experiencing those things.

    [–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Let me answer your question with a question and ask: Do you believe that any group, especially a marginalized one, can be self-hating?

    And I'm glad your beliefs are informed by 'compassion', I just wish they were informed by science instead. Plenty of christians want to ban homosexuality out of 'compassion', whether or not it's informed well, well-meaning, or downright insidious, that's

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    oops and apologies that the timing is awful i'd love to have more of this conversation with you right now but I have to leave for a 10 hour shift so, uh, sorry, I'll get back to you when i get back to you.

    [–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I do believe the science and that’s why I hold the position I do. The studies being pushed to support your position are seeking those outcomes and, as a result, usually use very flawed methods. The first one you linked doesn’t even have a control group…

    I wish you wouldn’t continue use the right wing or christians in your comments to try to tarnish us. I am not right wing, christian, or homophobic and I don’t agree with those people. I’m also not a reactionary so I won’t support or oppose things based on whether people I don’t like support or oppose them.

    [–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Hear, hear, PATM. You and I have had our differences, but I am with you 1000% on this. Anyone who has read our posts since Saidit was launched will know that neither one of us is coming to the issue of the safeguarding and protection of kids with gender dysphoria from an anti-science, right-wing, christian or homophobic perspective.

    I happen to have a bunch of houseguests at my place this weekend for the memorial service of a longterm friend who died several weeks ago. Eight out of my 10 houseguests are homosexual. The other two are bisexual. Our deceased friend and his partner are/were gay men. We all first met in the 1970s and 80s. Many of us met and became close through the AIDS activist orgs Gay Men's Health Crisis and ACT UP.

    [–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The studies being pushed to support your position are seeking those outcomes and, as a result, usually use very flawed methods. The first one you linked doesn’t even have a control group…

    Okay, so I'm going to try and be as nice as possible when I say, peaking, that this kind of thing right here? This makes everything else you say completely irrelevant. It's the kind of confident incorrectness that highschool kids boast when they think they're smarter than everyone else because they're insanely confident and insanely bad at self-reflection. Your smoking gun, your proof that these studies "use very flawed methods", is that a COHORT study doesn't have a control group. I mean, yes, pardon my French but no shit Sherlock. That's how cohort studies work. You skimmed a study in an attempt to prove that you were right, and didn't even bother to ask yourself "is this really as strong an argument as I think it is?" And then you posted it anyways.

    Like explain how and why anything else you say should be taken seriously when you so clearly don't care about objectivity?

    [–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I guess it was my mistake in assuming you were actually providing studies that would support your point. A cohort study without a control group that follows up for one year doesn’t tell us anything.