Both: What do you think about the NHS ending the gender-affirmation care model for youth in England?

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[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

This is really wonderful news!!! I really hope more countries start taking a similar approach. I worry the USA might be one of the last because of how money driven everything is here.

Even if some kids grow up to be transsexual, most will grow out of it and become comfortable with their natural bodies. It is so much better than surgery and a lifetime of hormones. If someone still has to transition to be okay after puberty, they will be able to make that decision. Transitioning has so many downsides, I just can’t understand why so many seem to want to push it on kids.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Also, it's so much better for people who decide to undergo medical transition to do so only after they've gone through full sexual and brain development during and after puberty of adolescence. It breaks my heart that kids put on "puberty blockers" followed by cross-sex Big Pharma hormones like Jazz Jennings not only have been rendered sterile, but they've been left without the capacity have adult libido, adult sexual pleasure and orgasm - and their overall cognitive abilities appear to have been permanently impaired as well.

I am not usually a "conspiracy theorist," but I've come to conclude that some very creepy, sinister people are behind the campaign to push transition on kids. Of course, not everyone who supports transition of kids and minor teens is doing so for nefarious reasons. Some people involved in this are naive, superficially well-meaning "useful idiots." But the big impetus is coming from some real creeps and lunatics.

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

useful idiots

Pot, meet kettle? I mean it's not like every terf on twitter simps for JK Rowling more than her actual fans do. Remind me, was she the one who wrote about goblin bankers with big noses? Or slaves that like to be slaves? Or was she the one who joined the radfem movement in the UK and immediately got cozy with neo-conservative christian fundamentalists under the guise of 'women's rights'. I'm sure worshiping the ground a literal billionaire walks on is a truly feminist act.

And I mean it's not like it's just her, the entire movement in the UK has been subsumed by women who spew their GC buzzwords regardless of whether they actually believe it or not and they'll have a horde of men and women at their beck and call to defend them. I mean Kathleen Stock and Alisson Bailey are both enamoured with Kemi Badenoch, who voted against abortion clinic protections and abstained from voting on gay marriage. And her husband is a political christian fundamentalist. I WONDER IF SHE REALLY CARES ABOUT WOMENS RIGHTS! (she doesn't)

As for sounding like a conspiracy theorist: Yes. You are one. You've got literally no proof besides 'it's just how i feel', you have a theory, and it's about a conspiracy. You are a conspiracy theorist.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Holy strawmen Batman!

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

"I have no functional response to the fact that my entire movement has been overtaken by traditionalist extremists who want to take away my rights"

You're the definition of a useful idiot.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Pointing out the glaring flaw in your attack is not idiocy. Do you have anything to contribute other than ranting and raving?

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

House... the term 'useful idiot' does not mean you are LITERALLY an idiot. It's a bit of a mean-spirited derogatory insult coined in vernacular to mean something else, and since MT decided that was the term she was going to use, it sort of sets the tone, don't you think?

From Webster: a naive or credulous person who can be manipulated or exploited to advance a cause or political agenda.

As for the 'glaring flaw', enlighten me, O Wise One. MT called people who care about the health and wellbeing of children with dysphoria 'useful idiots' in unknowing cohorts with some cabal of, and I quote, 'some very creepy, sinister people'. Very ominous and spooky, plus a bit silly because it sounds word for word like something Trump would say, but we have fun here. Setting aside the fact that I'm pretty sure the voices in my head are NOT coming from a third party out to trans the kids, I pointed out that your wild and wacky movement is literally currently being overtaken by theocratic facists who are using your rhetoric and your bodies as fodder to build themselves into positions of wealth and power. Radical feminists pushed hard to put people in power in the UK who are ACTIVELY looking to strip away women's rights. Hence, useful idiots. Such as yourself.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

I am aware of the phrase, thanks for yet another unnecessary lecture though. My response was to your tone, which reeks of misplaced exasperation and the assumption that I am an idiot.

The glaring flaw is the strawmen I mentioned. Until you can respond to the points I made without devolving into a tirade of insults I’m going to ignore you again and assume you are here to scream into the wind as per usual.

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

"I have no functional response to the fact that my entire movement has been overtaken by traditionalist extremists who want to take away my rights"

You're the definition of a useful idiot.

And you responded:

Pointing out the glaring flaw in your attack is not idiocy

No offense house but I don't for a second believe you were aware of the phrase, there is nothing at all in my post you're responding to calling you an idiot unless you literally believe that being called a useful idiot means you are being called an idiot.

The glaring flaw is the strawmen I mentioned. Until you can respond to the points I made

Again, you said:

Holy strawmen Batman!

That's not a point being made, that's not "strawmen" being mentioned in any way except abstractly, that's you showing up unannounced and gesticulating wildly at everything while exclaiming "Strawman! Strawman!".

Oh I missed you house, I think we'd get along great if you weren't so full of yourself and I wasn't so full of myself.

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

the term 'useful idiot' does not mean you are LITERALLY an idiot. It's a bit of a mean-spirited derogatory insult coined in vernacular to mean something else, and since MT decided that was the term she was going to use, it sort of sets the tone, don't you think?

From Webster: a naive or credulous person who can be manipulated or exploited to advance a cause or political agenda.

I used the term "useful idiots" fully aware of its meaning. I stand by my statements.

MT called people who care about the health and wellbeing of children with dysphoria 'useful idiots' in unknowing cohorts with some cabal of, and I quote, 'some very creepy, sinister people'.

Wut? I did not say

"people who care about the health and wellbeing of children with dysphoria" are all useful idiots."

On the contrary, I said something very different, namely:

not everyone who supports [social and medical] transition of kids and minor teens is doing so for nefarious reasons. Some people involved in this are naive, superficially well-meaning "useful idiots."

You are making a profound error in assuming that

people who care about the health and wellbeing of children with dysphoria

are the same as the people who promote social and medical transition of those children.

I and many other adults with experience raising our own children and who have professional experience in areas such as child development, youth education, pediatric and adolescent health care, counseling, youth sports, etc. care very much about the health and wellbeing of children with dysphoria. Because we care so much, we do not support social and medical transition of children and adolescent minors with dysphoria.

I think if you were to go through my post history on this sub, you'd find that I am pretty well informed, fairly measured in my views and that I choose my words very carefully. I care very much about the health and wellbeing of children of both sexes.

Sorry, but your posts on this thread strike me as the ravings of someone off his/her head and meds.

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I used the term "useful idiots" fully aware of its meaning. I stand by my statements.

I am aware. House did not understand the term, so I explained it for her sake, not yours. All I was claiming was that you 'set the tone' by using it.

Wut? I did not say [people who care about the health and wellbeing of children with dysphoria" are all useful idiots.]

You did though, you just don't think you did because you don't believe in the objective reality the evidence regarding transition and dysphoria in minors tells.

I and many other adults with experience raising our own children

Cool, doesn't change the fact that overwhelming evidence disagrees with you.

Sorry, but your posts on this thread strike me as the ravings of someone off his/her head and meds.

You posted an unironic conspiracy theory about a trans cabal using people in favour of "push[ing] transition on kids" evidence-based medicine to further their trans agenda. Like I don't know how to tell you this but you can't really say that and expect to be taken seriously. I'm admittedly ranting a bit, but why should I be coherent. I tried that before and was gaslit straight on out of here. At least when I ramble about how unbelievably psychotic your (colloquial) views are I'm having fun with it. And that's all that matters at the end of the day - I'm going to have fun with it. Because I sure as shit am not going to convince any of you to unbury your heads.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You posted an unironic conspiracy theory about a trans cabal using people in favour of "push[ing] transition on kids" evidence-based medicine to further their trans agenda.

I never mentioned a "trans cabal" pushing "their trans agenda." I said

I've come to conclude that some very creepy, sinister people are behind the campaign to push transition on kids.

I never said that the creepy, sinister people behind this are trans. That's on you mate.

I think many of the creepy, sinister people behind this are "cis" men like Norman Spack and "cis" women like Tandy Aye. I think many of the creepy, sinister people behind this are "cis" child abusing mothers like Susie Green, Jeanette Jennings and Kim Shappley. I think many of the creepy, sinister people behind this are the "cis" men who run Big Pharma, and the many "cis" men who are pedophiles and defenders of pedophilia like the recently-resigned trustee of Mermaids, Jacob Breslow; Rüdiger Lautmann, author of "Lust for Children;" and Peter Tatchell.

[–]adungitit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Remind me, was she the one who wrote about goblin bankers with big noses? Or slaves that like to be slaves?

I find it ironic that you're saying that while using the misogynistic manosphere meme "simp". Let me guess, you also happily use "bitch" as well?

I'm sure worshiping the ground a literal billionaire walks on is a truly feminist act.

As opposed to worshipping male billionaires who transition and now get treated as poor women who've been oppressed and traumatised by a lifetime misogyny, and also examples of female excellence and achievement?

Women being rich and using their influence to further women's rights is in no way contrary to feminism. Trying to get women to be happy with men's scraps because boo capitalism and "really it's all about class anyways" is a nice trick, but doesn't really work in radfem spaces.

Also, liberal and especially trans spaces are filled to the brim with misogyny. After all, statements about brainsex, or straight up gender stereotypes as well as denial of patriarchal influences are normal in these spaces, and frequently you'll have male MRAs or "egalitarians" get gender-validated because they rub their dicks to sissification anime porn.