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[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is such a weird way of thinking about it. Is this something you think motivates males to transition or is it something that motivated you? I’ve heard hatred towards men or maleness from people like Derrple and others a lot, but I don’t relate to that. The patriarchy exists, toxic masculinity exists, and many men behave badly, but I don’t think any of that has to with why I’m trans (obviously I can’t really know how I would have been in a world where feminine boys were treated better or felt like we fit, but dysphoria is real). I like men and don’t think they are all bad people just because they are male or think I am bad because I am male, even if I wish I wasn’t. I feel like this question says a lot about you…

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is such a weird way of thinking about it. Is this something you think motivates males to transition or is it something that motivated you? I’ve heard hatred towards men or maleness from people like Derrple and others a lot, but I don’t relate to that.

A lot of males who are heterosexual and bisexual say their urge to be women isn't rooted in autogynephilia, but rather stems from a desire to disassociate themselves from having anything to do with the male sex. I've personally heard this cited by quite a few teenagers and young adult males who've gotten caught up in trans mania in the past several years... But I've also heard it from much older ones too. But their experience will be very different to yours because they are NOT homosexual, and they did not have early-childhood-onset GD the way it sounds like you did.

For example, the very thoughtful detransitioning YouTuber Sam - who used to go by the name Maya - is in his 50s, but he has always maintained that he transitioned to escape maleness and masculinity, which he says he has only negative associations with. (A claim I doubt because other things Sam says make it clear he is very favorably inclined towards a lot of the men he tells anecdotes about - as does the way he behaves with the other men he's had convos with in YT videos, all of whom have similar gender identities and "trans histories" as Sam.) Interestingly, Sam, who grew up subjected to violent abuse by his father, turned to toxic and violent masculinity himself by joining a male criminal gang in his youth.