GC women: If you had been born male, and you felt unable to get the rest of the male community to behave better, wouldn't you be ashamed and embarassed too? Possibly to the point of wanting to hide it or make it ambiguous?

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[–]BiologyIsReal 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'd be more ashamed if, in order to hide my hypothetical male sex, I engaged in the very same toxic and abusive behaviour I claim to be fleeing from. Every time I hear this kind of explantion about how someone cannot possibly be a man because they define a man as a kind of monster whithout any redeemabe quality, I want to ask them how genuine this feeling actually is if they are completely oblivious about how much havoc they wreck by forcing women to play along with this. To me it sounds more as if, because for whatever reason they feel like they are at the bottom of male hierarchy, either (1) they want to use women as disposable human shields or (2) they want to bully women because we are an easier target than men.

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I engaged in the very same toxic and abusive behaviour I claim to be fleeing from

Y'all don't even know what we're like irl, like, a big number of people who feel this way are incredibly timid irl. I can barely go outside, let alone invade a woman's club or space. Ppl just make up caricatures of how trans women's self-hatred manifests. Maybe some people lash out but most of us are suffering in relative silence or physically or digitally self-harming

To me it sounds more as if, because for whatever reason they feel like they are at the bottom of male hierarchy

Every single male person is a waste of air and synapses even if we don't realize it. There's no "bottom" or hierarchy, every single one. It would be kinder to just kill us all. No, please, I'm begging you to do that. Please. If you have the choice please don't bring more people like this into the world. I want to die, I hate being like this, and there's never going to be any way out. I've never been brave enough to do it myself I've just had close calls. Please, I'm sorry

[–]Chronicity 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Look, there is a thing called reality. Everyone lives in it and we can see with our own eyes that “transwomen are just timid little shut-ins” is a laughable generalization. Just recently a 29 year old trans-identified male took first place in a women’s skateboarding event, and most of his competitors were teenaged girls. Trying to square this wastrel of a human being with your claim of innocent timidness doesn’t work, even if the majority of TW are indeed like what you say. Honestly, if I were a transwoman, I would feel more shame being associated with transwomen than men. At least I see men talking about acting honorably.

It is sad that you have such a low opinion of men. Why do you feel this way?

[–]BiologyIsReal 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Y'all don't even know what we're like irl, like, a big number of people who feel this way are incredibly timid irl. I can barely go outside, let alone invade a woman's club or space. Ppl just make up caricatures of how trans women's self-hatred manifests. Maybe some people lash out but most of us are suffering in relative silence or physically or digitally self-harming

Look, I do NOT know anything about you because I do NOT know you, and I do NOT care to discuss what you personally do or do not IRL. I do NOT care if you never leave your house because there IS plenty of OTHERS like you who DO engage in said behaviours, just like Chronicity pointed out.

However, because I can see it I can tell you how you act on this very sub. All you do care is about you and every discussion must be around you. You're constantly dismissing how women are being hurt or will be hurt because of transgenderims. And you're unable to understand why women may find insulting the fact that a male (speaking in general here) thinks he can be a woman either through self-declaration or through taking exogenous hormones or undergoing cosmetic surgeries. And you are unable understand why we take issue when you say that sex does not matter at all.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I implore you to seek help assessing and healthily breaking down these extremely unhealthy ideas about your sex making you supposedly undeserving of affection of love.

I’d suggest refraining from making statements like all of x group should be killed. From someone who claims to be at risk of genocide it’s an especially violent and extreme position to take.