QT: The most damning contradiction of trans ideology

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[–]rubberdubberd00 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You know, I am a person.

I have a mother, and sisters, and a daughter who I would do anything to protect.

I'm sure it's very easy for you to imagine that I'm just some internet troll with no feelings, but that's not the case. I'm here in good faith and trying my best to have a good and clear conversation here, and to have it suggested that I'm "denigrating and dehumanizing" people is beyond hurtful.

You have proven that no matter how much thought and care I put into my comments you will ignore them and respond to whatever preconceptions you have about what I believe, so there's really not any point in my engaging any further.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So you think it's perfectly acceptable for you to keep telling women that the definition of the word for us - woman - is not an adult human female like all the dictionaries say and we keep pointing out, but rather that a woman is a person of either sex

who identifies with the social class that is culturally associated to the female sex.

But when women who feel this definition of yours denigrates, dehumanizes and denies the biological reality and dignity of those of us who are adult human females, you throw your toys out of the pram and cry that our words are so mean as to be

beyond hurtful.

Wow. Talk about double standards. You really weren't kidding when you said that in your view the only way a woman can be a woman is if she "identifies with" and accepts the inferior social class and regressive sex stereotypes that sexists and misogynists associate with and continually try to foist upon the female sex.

You know, I am a person.

Adult human females are people/persons too. Why is it okay for you to keep hurling slings and arrows at women that denigrate and dehumanize us, but it's beyond the pale for us to voice objections to you denigrating and dehumanizing us?

How come you're the only person here whose feelings count? Indeed, why do you seem to think you're the only poster who has any feelings to begin with?

[–]rubberdubberd00 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But when women who feel this definition of yours denigrates, dehumanizes and denies the biological reality and dignity of those of us who are adult human females..

It's not my definition. While I disagree that it denies the biological reality of adult human females (rather, just not being about that), I agree that it's one that has its basis in an oppressive system of gender stereotypes. That is something that we should recognise and I don't see how shutting down discussion on the subject helps women.

You really weren't kidding when you said that in your view the only way a woman can be a woman is if she "identifies with" and accepts the inferior social class and regressive sex stereotypes that sexists and misogynists associate with and continually try to foist upon the female sex.

Honestly, why even respond if you're going to misrepresent what I say like this? What am I supposed to do here? It doesn't matter what I say, you've made up your mind as to what I believe and the actual words that I say seem to have no influence on that.

Why is it okay for you to keep hurling slings and arrows at women that denigrate and dehumanize us, but it's beyond the pale for us to voice objections to you denigrating and dehumanizing us?

It is not ok for anyone to denigrate and dehumanize women. If I thought for a second that this was something I was guilty of I would do anything to change that.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not my definition.

Whose definition is it then? Where does it come from?

I have provided links to the world's most respected and trustworthy dictionaries starting with Johnson's showing that all agree that a woman is an adult human female. I have looked through the 20-30 dictionaries and longstanding style guides that I have in my own house, and at every online dictionary I can find, and I have not come across a single one that says as you do that a woman is a person of either sex

who identifies with the social class that is culturally associated to the female sex.

Yet you insist that the definition of woman you put forward is the definition that is the most commonly used, most widely understood and universally agreed-on and accepted. When asked to provide evidence that this is really the case, you provide none. You just keep insisting that since you personally believe the word woman means what you have said means, it must be so - and that's that. Just like Humpty Dumpty did to Alice.