QT: The most damning contradiction of trans ideology

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[–]Chronicity[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What do you think sex is if you think it can be perceived? How does a person perceive it?

Sex is what distinguishes variants of a species that have essential roles in sexual reproduction. Females are in the class that produce large gametes (ova) and males are members of the class that produces small gametes (sperm). Human bodies are organized differently depending on which sex class they are in, because female and male mammals play very different roles in reproduction. In addition to ova production, human females gestate and lactate. Human males produce sperm and insemminate. This makes human males and females quite different from one another morphologically, and this is apparent both internally and externally.

The question really isn’t “How do we perceive sex?” The better question is “Why wouldn’t we be able to perceive sex?” Sex is fundamental to life; none of us would be here if our ancestors couldn’t ascertain it by sight, smell, and sound. For most of our evolutionary history, early death was the rule not the exception. To offset high mortality rates, humanity evolved to reproduce as efficiently possible. We wouldn’t have been able to do that if we were bumbling around not knowing which member of the species possesses the gametes that complement our own. Primary and secondary sex characteristics (genitalia, developed breasts, facial hair, musculature, etc) are extremely reliable cues as to who has what gametes. In other words, sex.

So why wouldn’t be able to perceive sex when its foundational to reproduction? Do you doubt other animals have this ability?Here’s a study that shows this ability has a neurological basis in mice. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/01/220121124421.htm

How am I ignoring the viewpoints of millions of women and their history? What did I say to make you think that I am ignoring those things?

By declaring “woman” an identity that is open to anyone of any sex, you erase the global population of women whose status as such rests entirely on biology. We have not been consulted on this “woman is a identity unlike height” way of thinking.

[–]rubberdubberd00 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thank you for giving a real answer to my question, it's really appreciated!

We seem to be mostly on the same page when it comes to the extent to which sex can be perceived. You point out that sex characteristics are extremely reliable cues, which is true, but they are (a) not 100% accurate and (b) not always visible. If by "humans can perceive sex" you mean that a humans can intuit sex with a very high level of accuracy, then yes, that is true. When I said that people cannot perceive sex what I meant was that there is no way to reliably know the sex of a person that is 100% accurate in all scenarios.

By declaring “woman” an identity that is open to anyone of any sex, you erase the global population of women whose status as such rests entirely on biology.

In what sense are they erased?

[–]Chronicity[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Humans are not infallible, so yes sometimes it’s possible to missex someone. This tells us nothing about whether sex can be observed empirically . It most certainly can be, and over 99% of the time, we can clock someone at a glance without even thinking about it The shit is hardwired in us because of evolution. Anyone who doubts this hasn’t spent enough watching unneutered animals. If a male dog can sniff out a female in heat that is miles away, then its absurd to think human males can be easily fooled into thinking another male is actually the opposite sex just because of an identity claim.

In what sense are they erased?

Imagine if Trudeau unilaterally decided anyone in the world who identified as a Canadian was now a Canadian, and then entitled all “Canadians” to voting rights and free healthcare. But rather conveniently, the only people paying into the healthcare system and military defense are those whose status as Canadians meet specific requirements for official citizenship. This means citizens are carrying all the burden of living as an actual Canadian while the self-identifying Canadians only reap the benefits. Despite living in a democracy, the citizens have been denied the right to self-determination; they have not been given a say on how their group should be defined. Their existence as a people united by the criteria set forth in their charter/constitution has been erased; outsiders have now been allowed to colonize their identity and take power from them.

This is what is happening to women now. We are carrying all the burden that comes with being an oppressed class marginalized on the basis of sex, while men take pleasure in taking our name from us along with our legal protections.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Humans are not infallible, so yes sometimes it’s possible to missex someone. This tells us nothing about whether sex can be observed empirically . It most certainly can be, and over 99% of the time, we can clock someone at a glance without even thinking about it The shit is hardwired in us because of evolution. Anyone who doubts this hasn’t spent enough watching unneutered animals. If a male dog can sniff out a female in heat that is miles away, then its absurd to think human males can be easily fooled into thinking another male is actually the opposite sex just because of an identity claim.

It's especially absurd to think human females can be easily fooled into thinking a male is a female too. And it's cruel and sick for TIPs to expect girls and women to happily go along with their attempts to fool us about their sex, and their constant attempts to make us feel bad for caring about and being able to suss out other people's sex.

Fact is, for reasons of our own self-protection and the protection of our young, human females have developed an extremely sensitive, always switched-on "sixth sense" that enables us to size up and suss out the sex of others we come into contact with - particularly when those others are adolescents or older. It's part of being on the bottom of the food chain and the prey in the male-female/predator-prey relationship. Women and girls have to be hard-wired to be guard to protect ourselves personally from attack, impregnation and imprisonment against our will - and we have to be hardwired to be on guard to protect the offspring that are so often in the care of the world's women and girls, and all the unborn offspring that a good number of human females will be carrying within their wombs at any given time.

Much of women's natural alertness to sex and our ability to 'sniff it out" seems instinctual, but our instincts usually get sharpened after years and decades of "lived experience."

I've spent a lot of time around old women with a lot of sensory impairments - diminished sight, hearing, memory, cognition - in care homes and it's amazing how so many of them have an uncanny knack for instantly sensing with a high degree of accuracy when a male has come in their vicinity. The hazy outline of a body seen through blurry vision, the rough shape of the shadow they cast, the heaviness of their footfall, the manner of their gait, their obvious and imperceptible smells, etc - there are many cues and tells that even impaired women pick up subliminally and which cause the senses to go on alert and the hair on the back of the neck to stand up.

One of the big problems I have with the trans craze and the new trend of males radically altering their bodies so as to try to disguise their sex, and all the lying so many people are doing about their sex, is that it ultimately undermines the protective, sex-sensing instincts and abilities that girls and women have developed through evolution. Also, TRAs' claim that it's horribly impolite and bad form to recognize another person's sex turns an evolved strength that girls and women have into a drawback and a sign of rudeness. Plus, the constant claims that "you can never be sure" of another person's sex without doing a complete medical and genetic workup causes women and girls to doubt our perceptions and basic instincts. Which is an essential part of gaslighting.

This whole movement is about disempowering, shaming and disadvantaging women and girls in myriad ways.