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[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Obligatory not QT, but trans. Trans ideology doesn’t make sense and is full of contradictions. Calling someone a trans woman for a QT person would be more about their intentions or stated identity I guess. I don’t know if it really makes sense otherwise. If a male alters their body and is able to pass to people as female they are going to exist in society being treated as a female in most ways, regardless of how they identify. Likewise, if a male identifies as a trans woman, but it still seen as a male person I don’t think that identity means very much in the real world and I’m not sure why anyone has to care. Even people who support trans ideology recognize the difference between males and females, but are choosing to act a certain way to help some trans people feel better. I don’t think any of them stop recognizing sex or realizing it makes in difference in how people are treated unless they are actually insane. Trying to make everyone play along with something that they don’t believe deep down isn’t a good way to make things better for anyone I feel like.

I feel like it used to be that we used terms that made sense like transsexual. That at least means someone has altered their body to mimic the other sex as much as possible rather than just being something about feelings or intentions. A transsexual is something you can actually be that isn’t just about something supposedly in someone’s mind, it can actually matter in the world. I feel like if we use terms like trans it should be to refer to transsexual, but obviously that is a unpopular view now and many would says it’s transphobic.

[–]divingrightintowork 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm actually surprisingly down with what I could call the 'private definitions' model - like these terms are released into the wild - the problem is QT / pomo gets strange and wants woman to both mean something and nothing. Woman requires some understanding that it equals AHF, but also nothing to do with that. I feel like it should be that I owe no one entry into my definition of woman, and no one owes me entry into theirs... but that isn't where we are.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It’s always been weird about trans women getting upset about about biological definitions of women, because like, if they didn’t already know that for most people woman meant adult human female, they wouldn’t want to be considered that so badly. They really don’t want that to go away.

I don’t know if I understand the private definitions. Do you mean like how people use words actually?

[–]divingrightintowork 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Private definitions is that like.. the same words can mean different things to different people.. or you only get certain phrases in certain places.. like secret handshakes, or flags. Like, when I say "Babe," in a group, I'm referring to my partner, or like long story but after an event last week someone fell off a log laughing because they found something stupid too funny, so now I ask him if he's having a "Falling off the log" moment when he seems to be overwhelmed by how funny he finds something. "Falling off the log moment" has entered our private lexicon.

in genderterms it means that I can define woman in a way that is unique to me ,or it can mean "Anyone with4 fingers on their left hand." Understandably, people may be confused when I use the term woman... but at the end of the day, I'm allowed to mean women when I say that... and if I convicne enough other people that's a better meaning of woman than "adult human female," than that may change the meaning of woman... or maybe I start a large enough religious movement around that meaning... and at least to other members of that group, that's what woman means.

Does that help at all?

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_language_argument