GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom?

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Elliot Page did testosterone himself into a male. He is becoming a gorgeous and handsome man.

Also, most trans men don't want to be classed with females and I respect that. I don't want to be classed with gender criticals even though I'm a cis woman. I understand GCs don't want to be classed with trans women but many cis women do. People in your sex category include J.K. Rowling, Julie Bindel and Sheila Jeffreys and I respect that.

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh, wow, so you consider a woman with different political opinions to not be the same sex as yourself?! That is the most bizarre thing I think I've heard yet from the QT side. And that's saying something.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Here is the thing. As I've stated before I share a sex with Oprah, Laverne Cox, Beyonce, MJ Rodriguez, Rihanna, Jazz Jennings, Kim Kardashian and Taylor Swift. So I obviously categorize myself with cis and trans women. Many gender critical women expressed they do not want to be categorized with trans women, so I will respect that as well. So I'm fine with them creating their own sex category. If they want to categorize themselves with cis women I think most cis women are OK with it. However trans men expressed they do not want to be categorized with women and that needs to be respected as well. Due to the wishes of GC women, I no longer categorize them with trans women but I am a cis woman who categorizes herself with trans women and anyone who shares a sex with me will share a sex with trans women, so I think its fair to have a separate category for gender critical women. I respect everyone's identity and won't categorize groups who don't mutually agree to be categorized.

[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's too bad that GC base things on actual reality, and not on whatever anyone "wants" to be true. That's the key distinction. The reason you can keep saying insane bullshit like labelling GC a gender identity is because your ideology allows anyone to say anything. There is nothing actually defining GC, or gender, or identities, or society. The world around you only exists only because of what someone told you they "wish" were true, and no proof or evidence or even sensible logic is necessary. In fact, it is offensive due to showing a lack of faith. It's very similar to how religion works.

We do not identify as women. We ARE women. We are recognising a biological fact that is physical and measurable, and whose biological mechanisms have been understood for a while now. We do not identify as women with the same logic as we might identify with being interdimensional dragon-fairy cross-breeds. That we might claim we do not want to be categorised with women, or human beings in general, does not actually make us into magical beings, because being a human is a biological, measurable reality of our existence, and no amount of temper tantrums or trying to identify out of it through wishful thinking affects that.

That Elliot Page is neither a man nor an interdimensional dragon-fairy cross-breed is measurable and provable. The fact that she can say she "wishes" she was male or magical is 100% irrelevant. People wanting the Earth to be the centre of the universe never actually made it so.