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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You're asking for biological proof and that's all I can really give. For now we can transition such that externally we appear to be the other sex. It's incomplete, but it's still a fledgling process of changing reality.

TW who can accept being a TW and not claim to be a woman

Do they have to be open about that irl? Idk why someone would willingly other themselves like that I guess.

it just means there’s a barrier you can’t cross

If I actually believed that sex was immutable idk what I'd be living for really. My entire goal is just to cross that gap of understanding, people shouldn't be limited by their sex like this.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That’s my point, you reject the actual bio proof that exists but would want us to accept something that doesn’t exist if it did. That doesn’t track to me. If you’re saying when or if a trans person can change sex it’s kind of odd to not accept the biological proof we have currently.

I think the goal of trans people should be acceptance for being trans, not trying to convince the rest of us that you’re the opposite sex than you are. I’d be significantly more comfortable sharing some spaces and using pronouns as a courtesy if this is how things were, personally.

Sex is factually immutable. It just is. I don’t really know what else to say about it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Nothing about it is immutable. I'm just having this convo too early and I wish I'd been born 100 years from now.

it’s kind of odd to not accept the biological proof we have currently.

I can't accept any proof that would require me to think of myself as a man.

I think the goal of trans people should be acceptance for being trans, not trying to convince the rest of us that you’re the opposite sex than you are

Ik some others who want to live like that, so maybe. But I'm not proud of being trans, I'm really ashamed and embarrassed of it, I would not want to be allowed in somewhere out of pity. That'd just make me feel like more of an other tbh

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So as of now it is immutable and you’re claiming that it isn’t and that makes no sense to me.

Like you’re saying you’ll just deny reality because you can’t accept it, and I understand why, but it doesn’t change reality.

Your responses are honestly a bit alarming and I don’t want to push you or cause any upset so I think maybe I’ll just stop. I’m honestly concerned by your answers and I can’t do anything for you and I just don’t want to idk. I don’t want you to not be okay because I said something

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I mean u don't have to do anything for me!

Isn't there a difference between like, something being immutable in theory vs in practice? Like yeah I can't change everything relating to sex right now, I can mainly just change how people perceive me, and body parts like with SRS. I would do more if I could or when it becomes possible.

Sure my general optimist view that transhumanist tech will take off is partly bc I'm still hoping to be saved somehow, but if everyone believed sex was unchangeable, there'd be no one trying to prove that wrong, I guess.

Sorry if my responses are alarming it's not my intention. I am kinda going through a lot rn on top of this.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What I meant is just that I can kind of sense you’re going through a lot, even if it just seems like emotional a lot to me because I don’t know your life lol, and I just don’t want to push you, I guess? I know it’s mostly you responding and I know I have a sharp tongue (errr… finger?) so I just wanted to back off.