GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom?

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Use the dictionary definition of harm even though you might not feel that it’s correct.

The dictionary defines it as "being physically injured" which still seems very subjective and personal.

An experimental surgery, none of that is known

Well everything was once experimental and someone had to take a leap of faith.

So, fifty kids? A million? Acceptable deaths as long as one person wealthy enough for it gets the nose of their dreams?

It shouldn't just be the wealthy but I think a lot of people who died would be happy to know that someone finally got what they wanted. I don't want people to die, but if people doing what they want will kill them, I still support them doing what they want.

So I have the bodily autonomy to place my body the oncology ward while I have the flu and violent diarrhoea? That’s allowed? That’s morally fine?

This and the getting naked thing are kinda public, no? autonomy ends where another person begins. Personal and medical autonomy--if you can find a surgeon or doctor to do it for you, you should be able to do it

People who have realistic knowledge of what will and won’t kill you should probably decide your bodies limits.

Nah it should be my right and decision to do something that might kill me.

lick the Mona Lisa until the paint is gone

Tbh this one sounds cool and pretty harmless yeah I agree.

I guess I should have clarified I meant things you can do to your body that don't involve, yk, literally getting naked in public. There will probably always be doctors willing to do experimental surgery at least

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It’s not very subjective medically. This is yet another example of why it is nonsensical and useless to act as though feelings surmount the importance of physical reality, objectively defined.

You think people would be happy to die so some random with a complex can have a nose they think is better looking? That disturbs me, deeply. This is not how most people think, at all. Do you understand that it’s not exactly..usual to suggest that thousands of people would happily die because someone in the future might be happy.

You’re essentially saying people are happy to die for someone else to feel a little bit better. How can you possibly know this? Why do you think it?

Female specific amenities like toilets are public as well but you have repeatedly stated that males should be allowed to infringe on the rights of females by accessing them if they feel like it.

Why is it ok to do one in public and not the other? Clearly bodily autonomy doesn’t actually mean total freedom to do anything one wants with their body.

Can you explain what you actually think it means?

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It’s not very subjective medically. This is yet another example of why it is nonsensical and useless to act as though feelings surmount the importance of physical reality, objectively defined.

So you think that everything you think is harmful to you must be to everyone, then?

You think people would be happy to die so some random with a complex can have a nose they think is better looking?

Yeah, I would, especially if it was for a future trans person to be happy.

Why is it ok to do one in public and not the other?

Using the bathroom doesn't disrupt anyone else's autonomy

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, I think physical harm is something that can be objectively measured by people who understand the human body. It’s certainly not up to anyone who thinks their hearts can be surgically shrunk to match their gender feels.

I am not the one who is saying my feelings should dictate how the world works.

It’s a public space so actually, males using that space does disrupt female autonomy. Male autonomy ends at the door to allow female autonomy in the public space. Have a look at the history of the womens public toilet. You’ll find they are crucial to working outside the home and engaging in the public sphere.

I’d like to assure you that it is extremely atypical, and could be perceived as pathologically lacking care for others to claim you support people dying for the perfection of cosmetic surgery.

This is something perhaps better discussed with someone qualified to break down and explain to you exactly why this is bizarre and harmful.