GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You having either breast implants or induced gynemastica does not mean that humanity has succeeded in altering human sexual dimorphism.

If they wanted their results private they surely would not have uploaded them to public imgur albums and Reddit and their personal blogs, often with statements about how excited they are to share. Have you ever looked at the transgender surgery subreddits?

I am concerned that all you take away from someone selling you a lie like male pregnancy is that it’s frustrating that they are the only person who can charge you exorbitant fees for minor results.

Transgender people are not prevented from becoming cosmetic surgeons, so the numbers of transgender surgeons available is an internal fight for y’all to have.

A disorder is not defined by how you feel about it, so I am not going to pretend that excess female hormones in any male body is healthy function. I’m glad you don’t feel unwell but it is only health to someone with a very distorted perception of the concept.

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I have neither implants nor gynecomastia. They're just breasts. I can link the study showing that trans women's breasts were identical on the tissue level to other women's if you want? During the course of a scare I had with a lump in my breast my doctor confirmed to me that it was just lobular growth and totally normal, no one had told me that would happen but it was very relieving.

Have you ever looked at the transgender surgery subreddits?

I used to hateread the awful old sub that would say the worst stuff about people's results. I just don't put much stock in how results look right after surgery, when everything is healing. At this point, I also am starting to not care if the results aren't perfect as long as they are close enough and not obvious (I date men and men r likely to be more clueless on whether my genitalia look right)

I am concerned that all you take away from someone selling you a lie like male pregnancy

No I firmly believe it will happen eventually I just think I'll be old by the time they have it working. Which sucks, I would volunteer for it if I got the chance though.

Transgender people are not prevented from becoming cosmetic surgeons

The majority of trans people live in poverty, we make way less per dollar on average than people who aren't trans. I agree that should change and I'd love to see more trans surgeons.

A disorder is not defined by how you feel about it, so I am not going to pretend that excess female hormones in any male body is healthy function

This is exactly my problem with GC ideology I guess. You can literally never see something as existing on its own or any exceptions to what you see as sacred, immutable biological sex. Like to you, me having breasts would be defined as gyno regardless of the fact that my breasts are fully developed and could produce milk, merely because they are attached to someone who's amab. It's absurd, like, you can think I'm male if you want but please acknowledge my body parts and hormones by how they actually are. In someone who isn't trans my levels would be a disorder because they would be in distress. For me, it was the other way around.

You can't just impose your idea of what is healthy onto everyone. We all have slightly different ideas of health, to me having my hormones managed exogenously is completely okay.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In males, female appearing breasts may indicate the following;

Hypogonadism. Conditions that lower testosterone production, such as Klinefelter syndrome or pituitary insufficiency, can be associated with gynecomastia. Aging. Hormone changes that occur with aging can cause gynecomastia, especially in men who are overweight. Tumors. Some tumors, such as those involving the testes, adrenal glands or pituitary gland, can produce hormones that alter the male-female hormone balance. Hyperthyroidism. In this condition, the thyroid gland produces too much of the hormone thyroxine. Kidney failure. About half the people being treated with dialysis experience gynecomastia due to hormonal changes. Liver failure and cirrhosis. Changes in hormone levels related to liver problems and cirrhosis medications are associated with gynecomastia. Malnutrition and starvation. When your body is deprived of adequate nutrition, testosterone levels drop while estrogen levels remain the same, causing a hormonal imbalance. Gynecomastia can also happen when normal nutrition resumes.

In females breast development indicates healthy development and hormonal balance.

This article explains some differences,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5010345/ Such as the distinct lack of lobules. There is no evidence that estrogen causes the formation of lobules. There are mountains of evidence that the growth of breast tissue in males with excess estrogen is gynecomastia.

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This article explains some differences,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5010345/ Such as the distinct lack of lobules. There is no evidence that estrogen causes the formation of lobules. There are mountains of evidence that the growth of breast tissue in males with excess estrogen is gynecomastia.

Generally, males do not have lobules. But some males with breast cancer have been found to have partially developed lobules. It's very rare, but it has happened.

One theory is that genetic factors cause the male androgen receptors in the breast tissue of some males to "express" in ways similar to estrogen receptors. Another theory is that during male mini puberty of infancy some male babies either make amounts of estrogen and progesterone that are higher than typical, or they respond to the normal amounts of E and P they make in atypical ways. Yet another theory is that for a time in infancy some males have excess aromatization that causes them to convert some of the massive amounts of T that baby boys produce during male mini puberty of infancy into estrogen. But no one knows.