Calls for trans elimination

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Define female for me please

Someone who does or did or will or would, if not for intersex conditions or extenuating circumstances, produce ova.

I consider my unfortunate luck in being amab an extenuating circumstance that I am rectifying as much as possible.

Lol so what percentage of the time does someone need to be perceived as a woman in order to be a woman

The majority of the time.

Women need rights and protections that men don't need so it's important that you're able to clearly define this boundary

Trans women need the same rights and protections.

I love how I wrote male and you interpreted that to mean men.

I was narrowing it to men and not male..

It's homophobic to not let exclusively same sex attractive people define themselves and organize independently of bisexual people.

I'm not stopping u from defining yourselves and organizing. Use whatever words you like for yourselves and I'll use whatever words I like for myself.

In order to believe this, you have to believe that the only "function" of a vagina is a hole able to be penetrated by a penis.

No, I never said that nor do I believe it's the case. I meant in terms of vaginal flora and structure. Although, trans women will probably need to have C-sections in the future unless SRS becomes basically a lab-grown organ transplant (which I certainly hope it does)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Someone who does or did or will or would, if not for intersex conditions or extenuating circumstances, produce ova. I consider my unfortunate luck in being amab an extenuating circumstance that I am rectifying as much as possible.

"A female is someone who, if not male, produces ova". Listen to yourself. This is nonsensical.

Whoever has told you that you are not male or that you can "rectify" being male and become female has absolutely failed you. They've set you up for failure. It is absolutely sociopathic to convince someone that cosmetic surgeries and synthetic hormones will change their sex, especially if that person would have not "transitioned" if they didn't believe this. It is honestly disturbing to me that you believe this.

The majority of the time.

Be specific. 51% of the time? 60% of the time? 75%? 80%? 90%? 99%?

I was narrowing it to men and not male..

But I was talking about MALES.

I'm not stopping u from defining yourselves and organizing.

If you take the words that mean "exclusively same sex attracted" and use them to mean "bisexual" then this is exactly what you are doing. Many conceded "gay/lesbian" and retreated to "homosexual" and you appropriated that too. If they conceded "homosexual" and made up a new term, you would appropriate that too, and so on and so forth, not allowing exclusively same sex attracted people the ability to define themselves and organize independently of bisexual people.

No, I never said that

You said:

my genitalia will be functionally [...] like other women's.

What is the function of a vagina, derrple?

Although, trans women will probably need to have C-sections in the future

...do you think transwomen will be able to get pregnant and carry children in the future?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Whoever has told you that you are not male or that you can "rectify" being male and become female has absolutely failed you.

I've told myself thanks. It will change my sex enough for me. It'd be great to change my sex chromosomes too but as that has basically zero effect on my social or romantic life I'm not bothered by it.

Be specific. 51% of the time? 60% of the time? 75%? 80%? 90%? 99%?

Greater than or equal to 50%

If you take the words that mean "exclusively same sex attracted" and use them to mean "bisexual" then this is exactly what you are doing. Many conceded "gay/lesbian" and retreated to "homosexual" and you appropriated that too. If they conceded "homosexual" and made up a new term, you would appropriate that too, and so on and so forth, not allowing exclusively same sex attracted people the ability to define themselves and organize independently of bisexual people.

Neither of us own words, it's absolutely pointless to try and own them. Everyone should be able to use words they feel fit them and explain if asked, what's the problem there?

Also I'm bi, so I'm not rushing to call myself a lesbian. I've had sapphic relationships but since I'm trans I personally think it should be up to my hypothetical cis partner on whether to describe the relationship as lesbian.

What is the function of a vagina, derrple?

Quite literally to be a muscular tube leading from the external genitalia to the cervix. It may be used to give birth or for penetrative sex or someone may have had some or all of the cervix removed, bur those functions aren't necessarily universal.

...do you think transwomen will be able to get pregnant and carry children in the future?

I really hope so. I would like to be a mother and bring life into the world, and if or when it were safe for me to do so, I would seriously consider it.

I think it will be possible in my lifetime but I will likely be too old by the time it is practical.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

I would like to be a mother and bring life into the world, and if or when it were safe for me to do so, I would seriously consider it.

But yesterday you said that the very idea of having children made you want to vomit.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Oh sorry I should have clarified. I meant like, with my "natural" biology. I don't want to be a...f*ther, the idea grosses me out so much.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

But being a parent is at its core most fundamentally about raising a child. It's not about being a father or a mother. Weighed against the long span of time it takes for human offspring to grow to full maturity and be able to function on their own and support themselves, the 40 weeks it takes women to gestate a human child is small potatoes - and the teeny-tiny amount of time it takes to conceive a child is nothing. The human male biological role in bringing "life into the world" in particular usually takes just few minutes to accomplish from start to finish.

the idea grosses me out so much.

In my opinion, anyone grossed out by any aspect of human biology is not fit to be a parent.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The human male biological role in bringing "life into the world" in particular usually takes just few minutes to accomplish from start to finish.

That's a role I'm not at all willing to play.

In my opinion, anyone grossed out by any aspect of human biology is not fit to be a parent.

I'm only grossed out by my own, not others'

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm only grossed out by my own, not others'

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. People who are grossed out by their own biology, body parts and bodily functions end up communicating their disgust to their children in myriad ways - many of them unconscious and unintentional. Having and raising children involves intimate contact with their bodies, and all their body parts - and there's a lot of gross stuff involved such as blood, vomit, meconium, and tons of foul-smelling, weird-colored and strange-textured shit. Not to mention the occasional bout of head lice when little kids are in school - and the crusty spots on sheets, undershorts and tissues left around when male children reach a certain age.

I fear your negative feelings about your own body would inevitably get transferred to your kids, and would very much mess us any male child you have. I suspect your views on sex and female human beings would screw up any daughters you have too. I don't mean you would make this happen on purpose, but it would happen all the same. Look what happened to Howard Hughes.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How is this not just the same tired rhetoric that was brought up against gay parents though? Trans people are perfectly capable of being around and not disgusted by children just like anyone else.

I'm an adult, I'm capable of compartmentalizing my body dysmorphia and not applying it to everyone else. Me being dysphoric would not make me a bad parent.

I've mostly had men as partners and I was never disgusted with their bodies. Obvi I don't expect raising a kid to be a cakewalk and I expect to have to deal with more mess than I've ever had before. That isn't different from other new parents though..