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[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

I forgot to ask this earlier: If you really believe that most trans adults agree with you that

People do not necessarily need or desire "full sexual function"

And you truly are convinced that the children subjected to "gender affirming" medical interventions that will leave without sexual function will grow up to have no regrets about it -

Then how do you account for the fact that thousands of adults in countries such as Sweden, Germany and Japan have sued and obtained compensation for being required to give up their capacity to reproduce as part of their own gender transitions that they underwent as adults?

How do you account for the fact that the one thing most "trans men" get in the news for is for having babies? If sexual function wasn't important to them, how come so many trans men are hell-bent on reproducing? How do you account for the fact that a great number of young "trans women" today say they want biological children too, and many prominent ones like Gigi Gorgeous and Blaire White have openly expressed regret and grief that they did not bank sperm before they started taking T suppressants and messing with their endocrine systems?

How do you respond to the fact that many people who have no interest in having children ever when they are in their teens and 20s find that in their 30s they feel totally differently?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

Then how do you account for the fact that thousands of adults in countries such as Sweden, Germany and Japan have sued and obtained compensation for being required to give up their capacity to reproduce as part of their own gender transitions that they underwent as adults?

Isn't that because those countries used to require sterilization to transition legally? Yeah that's awful, and I wouldn't even say they had free choice in that. But that's different than freely choosing transition knowing it will lead to loss of fertility. They made that choice, it is not a doctor's job to predict with certainty where your mind will be in the far future. It's the same logic that doctors use to misogynistically deny tubal ligation or hysterectomies to young women. No other condition is treated this way as far as I know, nowhere else do we withhold treatment just because of the mere possibility of regret.

How do you respond to the fact that many people who have no interest in having children ever when they are in their teens and 20s find that in their 30s they feel totally differently?

People can change their mind, so what? That can literally happen with anything, they should take responsibility for their choices. If they chose not to bank sperm years ago when they had the option then that's no one's fault but their own. All dysphoric people deserve support in the present, whether they've transitioned or detransitioned or anything in between. But acting like woe is you because you didn't foresee the potential consequences of your actions doesn't entitle you to control others' choices.

Yeah, it's possible that in 10 years I'll regret getting an orchiectomy or transitioning. I doubt it, because the idea of having biological kids makes me want to vomit, but yeah it's at least vaguely possible. But if that happens I'll handle it then, and if I have regret it won't be any different than like, deciding not to go to grad school, or whether or not to stay together with a partner. All decisions that greatly affect someone's life trajectory and experience.

I don't see you rushing to try and prevent people from making literally any other kind of choice they might regret later, so you shouldn't for people transitioning either.

Also, even though I think I'll be too old by the time it's ready, young trans women may be able to receive a womb transplant in the future which could also eliminate the need to bank sperm at all

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    [–]beris😎[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

    Since we've devolved to thinly veiled personal attacks, congrats, you're done. Welcome to try again though.

    [–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

    How is HP calliing out derrple's unwinglingness to answer questions and derrple's self-admitted absolute lack of concern for the harms done by "medically transitioning" children and teens a personal attack?

    [–]beris😎 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

    What a frightening lack of empathy combined with an unshakeable conviction that you know better than all others what is good for children.

    Thinly veiled personal attack.

    [–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

    Observation of insincere and bad faith arguments. For a mod you start a lot of snarky shit while contributing zero to the community.

    [–]beris😎 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

    Considering i've literally been hands off for over a month, im not sure how I start "a lot of snarky shit". You're observations are cool, but you need to understand that they're driven by your own opinions, not fact. From the opposite point of view, you're heartless for wanting to restrict medical access to teens, even if a sizable portion of of them will regret it, you're favouring them over the portion that won't. Be human to the people you're talking to. Youre right im sorry last part uncalled for. ;(

    [–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

    What was that about insults immediately before you said I struggle to be a human? Top notch choice of insult for an autistic woman.

    I’m aware I am discussing opinion vs opinion with derrple. I am referring specifically however, to their choice to filter their opinions through their personal experiences and feelings. This is an acceptable thing to challenge in a debate space. It is also a perfect example of a statement that reads as having zero empathy. If you disagree you could try making a refutation instead of whatever you think you are doing.

    Just as derrple is free to continue to imply that questioning cross sex hormone treatment is the same as personally having it banned.

    Your first foray into the sub involved starting shit, you became a mod and started more shit, contributed nothing for months and then started this shit.

    Any more hypocrisy to dish out with your power trip?

    [–]beris😎 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

    You know, you are right, that was rude of me. It still stands though, i'm sorry you've never faced consequences for going off the rails here, and i'm sorry that it happens once and you're unhappy about it. There is a gendercritical sub you're welcome to browse where you dont have to put in a modicum of effort to censor yourself.

    But yeah, i'm power tripping. Complain to grixit who has literally abandoned this place to write fan fiction or peaking who will fall at your feet and apologize for the injustice, i dunno. Til then, accept that actions have consequences.

    [–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Beris has had a problem with me since day one.

    [–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It’s not a thinly veiled anything it was an observation about a comment.