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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago* (63 children)

Just because Blanchard acknowledges that natal males who are aroused at the idea of themselves as women often transition doesn't mean he likes trans porn.

I never said anything about porn. Blanchard is a gay man whose absurd typology "happens" to categorize the trans women who would hypothetically be attracted to him as "good" and ones attracted to women as "AGP" and "fetishists". Ffs, let trans people have sexuality without accusing them of falling into a binary world of fetish or gay.

There is evidence to suggest that a small minority of bisexual transwomen and so-called "transbians" are dealing with autoandrophobia,

Obviously?? What trans woman wants to be a guy? That literally proves nothing.

I doubt your statistic about 70% being paraphilic or what paraphilic means in that case. If it just means not vanilla then it's just a way to slander us.

Additionally, there was a study recently that showed that transwomen are actually more likely to sexually offend than natal males who didn't transition.

I'd be interested in who exactly this studied because this seems absurd on its face to me.

r/detrans, which is the only reliable source on detransition, has been seeing massive growth, and there are more and more people who are speaking YouTube out YouTube about how transitioning has ruined their lives.

r/detrans is a cult. I have seen it myself. They accuse trans people of not accepting alternative views, but most trans spaces I've been in were fine with someone thinking about detransitioning. But to detrans, it is their way or no way, they cannot accept someone staying trans as a possibility, and they squash any dissent to that effect. All they told me was that me detransitioning was inevitable and that transition would not work for me. Well guess what, it is and has been working lol

The fact remains that most teens who identify as trans will desist by the time they're adults and be happy with their natal sex. Getting teens on hormones will be detrimental to them because they will most likely end up with irreversible body changes they will later regret

Then they will be no worse off than trans people who regret going through puberty. They deserve support and care, but I will always support trans people and so I would rather people transition even if they will regret it. You do not get to take away people's healthcare just because you regretted the path you took.

I'd support you or anyone in your detransition but your life is your own, your responsibility, you do not get to control others, and you will not control us.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago* (62 children)

In response to someone else pointing out that

most teens who identify as trans will desist by the time they're adults and be happy with their natal sex. Getting teens on hormones will be detrimental to them because they will most likely end up with irreversible body changes they will later regret

Your said:

Then they will be no worse off than trans people who regret going through puberty. They deserve support and care, but I will always support trans people and so I would rather people transition even if they will regret it.

Yes, it's true that males who only took testosterone blockers and exogenous estrogen and then cease might end up no worse off "than trans people who regret going through puberty" - or rather, who say they regret it. (BTW, I think it bears pointing out that the "trans people who regret going through puberty" are almost exclusively adult males who enjoy full sexual function, and many of whom have fathered children.) But that won't be true for the males who had their balls removed and their penises removed or reconfigured.

Swedish celebrity Alexa Lundberg and the YouTuber Shape Shifter both went through normal male puberty of adolescence before they tried to turn themselves into facsimiles of women, yet now both say they wished they had just accepted that they were gay males from the start rather than chasing an impossible fantasy.

https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-05-12-aleksa-lundberg--%22i-am-a-gay-feminine-man-with-a-female-body%22.SyWGzCjDcU.html

If men like SS and Lundberg regret their decisions, then how can it be that males who will be deprived of the chance to go through male puberty of adolescence will be no worse off for it than all the adult males who after deciding to "become women" in adulthood say they wish they could have skipped male puberty? (Also, for the record: whilst post-transition males who say they wish they hadn't gone through puberty typically do so because they think this would've made them them more "passable" as the opposite sex, I highly doubt that the majority of them would have passed up their chance to experience male libido, male sexual arousal and male orgasm in the off-chance it might make them "pass" better now.)

But that's the males. Pray tell, how will the young females you are wishing this horrible fate on end up "no worse off than" the males you speak of who now say they regret going through male puberty?

Also, why do you think mature adults like Laverne Cox, Rachel Levine, Grace Lavery, Julia Serrano, Andrea Long Chu, Caitlyn Jenner, Contrapoints, Char Clymer, Jennifer Finney Boylan, Marci Bowers, TS Madison, etc are good comparators for today's distressed tween and teenage girls? Why are they the models on which to base standards of medical care for young girls with sex and gender distress?

Why should what full-grown males say about their own time as youths way back when be the deciding factor in determining which medical treatments are given to today's and tomorrow's tween and teenage girls, some as young as 8?

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(BTW, I think it bears pointing out that the "trans people who regret going through puberty" are almost exclusively adult males who enjoy full sexual function, and many of whom have fathered children.) But that won't be true for the males who had their balls removed and their penises removed or reconfigured.

There are way more young mtf people, me included, who regret going through puberty, than there are of late transitioners with families.

Even if they've had surgery they could still take testosterone while detransitioning if that is what they want.

Swedish celebrity Alexa Lundberg and the YouTuber Shape Shifter both went through normal male puberty of adolescence before they tried to turn themselves into facsimiles of women, yet now both say they wished they had just accepted that they were gay males from the start rather than chasing an impossible fantasy.

Cool? That sucks for them, it really does, but it has literally no impact on my life or the lives of other trans people. People's personal testimonies of the journey their gender identity has taken cannot be used to make a group judgment to deny us the right to transition.

I highly doubt that the majority of them would have passed up their chance to experience male libido, male sexual arousal and male orgasm in the off-chance it might make them "pass" better now.

I never wanted any of that nor do many of the people I know. And even if I did, it shouldn't stop someone from being able to transition.

But that's the males. Pray tell, how will the young females you are wishing this horrible fate on end up "no worse off than" the males you speak of who now say they regret going through male puberty?

Being trans is not a horrible fate. It is difficult, but if you look around there is a supportive community going through a lot of the same things, and that helps us get through it.

Being detrans isn't a horrible fate either, though it seems mostly like being "ex-gay" to me for some, a constant state of denying yourself what you want. I don't think that's healthy imo, but it's not my life to live.

Also, why do you think mature adults like Laverne Cox, Rachel Levine, Grace Lavery, Julia Serrano, Andrea Long Chu, Caitlyn Jenner, Contrapoints, Char Clymer, Jennifer Finney Boylan, Marci Bowers, TS Madison, etc are good comparators for today's distressed tween and teenage girls? Why are they the models on which to base standards of medical care for young girls with sex and gender distress?

Honestly the only people from this list who a young person probably knows might be Laverne Cox and contra. Add on Hunter Schafer. Do I have to like famous trans people to be trans? No lol, we could use more young trans role models like Hunter, but it takes time.

Why should what full-grown males say about their own time as youths way back when be the deciding factor in determining which medical treatments are given to today's and tomorrow's tween and teenage girls, some as young as 8?

Trans people are entitled to medical treatments to help us transition if we want them. It isn't about what anyone else wants.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago* (60 children)

Being trans is not a horrible fate.

But I never said "being trans" (whatever that means) is a horrible fate. I said female persons whose health has been permanently damaged by regular administration of exogenous testosterone/androgens for the purpose of masculinizing them during their tweens, teens and 20s have faced, and do face, a horrible fate.

Female persons doped on T over the course of many years for the purpose of masculinization routinely experience physical problems like vaginal atrophy, cystitis, extreme pelvic pain, including upon/after orgasm, and a host of other serious gynecological issues leading to major surgeries like hysterectomy and oophorectomy that will put them at risk for other health problems like vaginal and pelvic organ prolapse and early-onset dementia. As adults, female persons on long-term exogenous T for masculinization have double the risk of heart attacks and CV disease as ordinary male adults do.

The medical interventions you recommend - indeed insist upon - for young female persons will cause them to go from having half the risk of heart attack and CV diseases as males to having twice the risk of males. Moreover, whereas females who develop CV disease usually begin to develop it 7-10 years later than males, women heavily dosed with testosterone in their formative years appear to develop CV disease earlier than males. If the women doped on androgens during their formative and athletic years by the East German government are any indication, taking over many years during adolescence and adulthood significantly reduces female life spans.

The core question I asked you earlier that you have refused to answer is: Why are adult trans activists like you so intent on issuing diktats saying other people's minor children should be given powerful prescription drugs and artificial hormones that will impede their natural development and impair their sexual function?

Why do you and other males think you have sufficient insight and expertise on the health of female children, adolescents and adults to decide and insist that during their tweens and teens, large numbers of girls should be put on exogenous Big Pharma testosterone?

Do you make posts dictating what medical treatments other groups of youngsters - particularly girls - should get? Or just girls who are distressed about gender and sex issues - girls who if allowed to develop naturally and with proper mental health support might grow up to be strong "GNC" women unwilling to take shit from males - no matter how the males say they identify?

Hmm, what's up with that?

I'll wait.

Honestly the only people from this list who a young person probably knows might be Laverne Cox and contra. Add on Hunter Schafer. Do I have to like famous trans people to be trans? No lol, we could use more young trans role models like Hunter, but it takes time.

Huh? I never suggested the persons I named were models for the tween and teenage girls and young women who want to "transition" today. I mentioned nothing about role models. I don't know how you could have come to such an odd conclusion.

I said that the statements made by male persons like the ones I named are what led to the notion that it would be a good idea to stop the natural development of children for the purpose of "early medical transition" in the first place. When adult males like the ones I named - and the additional ones you yourself have now mentioned - look back on their own teenage years, they frequently say that they wish they hadn't developed male secondary sex characteristics during their own puberties of adolescence because having obviously male sex characteristics make it harder for them to "pass" as women. And it's because of what such adult males say about their own lives in retrospect - and out of their own mirror-gazing, appearance-obsessed, very narrow self-interests - that large numbers of young children they have never met, never will meet, have nothing to do with and know jack shit about, are being subjected to radical experimental medical interventions to stop them from going through puberty.

I didn't mention the adult males I named because they are "famous trans people" who might have direct influence on youngsters because they are work in entertainment like Cox does, make YT videos like CP does, or they work as fashion models like Hunter Shafer does. I mentioned the individuals I did because the ideas that inform and govern "pediatric gender medicine" are based entirely on the experience of such males, and only on their experience as males. Moreover, the individuals I named all have enormous influence on the people who make health care policy and decide the standards of care for children and adolescents experiencing distress over sex and gender issues. All of the people I mentioned have the ears of the people high up in medicine, psychotherapy, politics, government, "LGBTQ" lobbying, publishing and the mainstream media, social media, the insurance industry, etc who make policy and decide what treatments are appropriate for children.

In fact, some of the people I mentioned - Rachel Levine, Marci Bowers - actually set the standards of medical treatment and determine health policy themselves. In case you were unaware of this, Rachel Levine is the Biden administration official personally in charge of women's and children's medical treatment and health care policy in the USA. Marci Bowers is president-elect of WPATH, and a longtime member of the groups that control WPATH at the highest levels, including the board of directors. Over the years, Bowers has also been an outspoken, leading advocate of subjecting male children to surgical castration and penile reconfiguration whilst they are still minors. And not just when they are still minors, but when they are minors still living under their parents' roofs and under their parents' thumbs. (Bowers says a main reason for this is so that the mothers can force recently-castrated youths to dilate after surgery when they don't want to.) Until recently, Bowers was also one of the biggest proponents of "pubertal blockade" of male children at Tanner Stage 2.

All the leading lights and influential figures in the gender identity industry like Norman Spack, Jack Turban and Diane Ehrenshraft; orgs like WPATH, APA and Mermaids; clinicians, psychotherapists policy makers, insurers, parents and everyone else captured by today's gender identity ideology say it's a good idea to follow the advice of the kinds of adult males I have mentioned in determining how best to treat young boys and girls who are distressed over sex and gender issue. All of them and the other powers-that-be in "pediatric gender medicine" and "youth gender care" say it's essential to make sure that gender confused kids are subjected to radical medical interventions as early in childhood as possible. Meaning before the first physical signs of puberty of adolescence become obvious - which according to the protocols now in use in the US, means putting female children on "puberty blockers" AND exogenous testosterone as early as 8, and putting males on "blockers" at 10-11 and on exogenous estrogen by 12. (Jazz Jennings went on "blockers" at 11, and exogenous estrogen at 11 years, 5 months.)

These experimental radical medical interventions are being done on young children on the say so and at the urging of adult males like the ones I named - and like the younger adult ones you yourself mentioned. All of whom had the privilege of growing up without their brains, bones and endocrine systems being irreversibly altered and without developing the kinds of iatrogenic physical and mental health problems that Jazz Jennings now has. All of whom also have had the chance to develop normal male reproductive capacity and to experience the enormous and exquisite pleasures that come from having mature male sexual function, male libido, male sexual pleasure, and male orgasms.

Trans people are entitled to medical treatments to help us transition if we want them. It isn't about what anyone else wants.

If that's the case, why are you and other adults like you so insistent on dictating the medical interventions done on minors? Minors who are other people's children. Minors who are mostly children of the sex you seem to know very little about, and you have no experience of?

If that's the case, why are you on social media making statements like this one:

we should be giving teens cross-sex hormones instead, the same way we would for adults. They can desist or detransition later.

Again, why is it so important to you and other adults like you to insure that other people's minor children get robbed of the chance to grow up physically healthy with fully developed brains and bodies, and with the capacity to enjoy full sexual function?

Why are you and other adults like you so intent on making sure that cross-sex hormones are used to alter the bodies and mess with the minds of tween and teenage girls in particular?

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I said female persons whose health has been permanently damaged by regular administration of exogenous testosterone/androgens for the purpose of masculinizing them during their tweens, teens and 20s have faced, and do face, a horrible fate.

You realize there are many precautions that can be taken that can help transmasc people with this? A lot of trans guys I know take topical estradiol to prevent vaginal atrophy, it's unfortunate but helps, and have also had hysterectomies to head off potential issues there as well.

pelvic organ prolapse and early-onset dementia. As adults, female persons on long-term exogenous T for masculinization have double the risk of heart attacks and CV disease as ordinary male adults do.

I don't think any of this is worth not transitioning, personally. It's up to them and they should be aware, but we will figure out ways to deal with these issues. There are other risky actions people take that increase their CV risk, like eating badly, but we don't stop people from eating how they want, obviously.

Why are adult trans activists like you so intent on issuing diktats saying other people's minor children should be given powerful prescription drugs and artificial hormones that will impede their natural development and impair their sexual function?

Because if they're trans it's their right to take them, it's that simple. And estradiol for trans women is bioidentical now in the vast majority of cases. It's exogenously introduced, but it's the exact same hormone as is produced naturally.

large numbers of young children they have never met, never will meet, have nothing to do with and know jack shit about, are being subjected to radical experimental medical interventions to stop them from going through puberty.

If even one kid is like me and hates her body less because she was able to transition younger and not have horrible parents then it will have been worth it.

All of the people I mentioned have the ears of the people high up in medicine, psychotherapy, politics, government, "LGBTQ" lobbying, publishing and the mainstream media, social media, the insurance industry, etc who make policy and decide what treatments are appropriate for children.

Trans people finally having a say for ourselves and helping trans kids, and that's somehow problematic to you. Would you rather trans people have no voice and cis people decide for us? No lol

Over the years, Bowers has also been an outspoken, leading advocate of subjecting male children to surgical castration and penile reconfiguration whilst they are still minors.

Okay? I can see how that's logical, it would be much easier to recover from SRS with parental support.

All of whom also have had the chance to develop normal male reproductive capacity and to experience the enormous and exquisite pleasures that come from having mature male sexual function, male libido, male sexual pleasure, and male orgasms.

Okay what actually is this? Why write this? I hated anything sexual before I transitioned and I still have intimacy issues because I'm so uncomfortable with my body. There is no "exquisite" pleasure in being male nor does that at all motivate me to have others have to suffer the way I did/do. I would have done anything to avoid that grossness.

gender identity ideology say it's a good idea to follow the advice of the kinds of adult males I have mentioned in determining how best to treat young boys and girls who are distressed over sex and gender issue.

Literally the only advice you have to follow is to treat ppl with dysphoria and give them transition care.

Again, why is it so important to you and other adults like you to insure that other people's minor children get robbed of the chance to grow up physically healthy with fully developed brains and bodies, and with the capacity to enjoy full sexual function?

People do not necessarily need or desire "full sexual function". I didn't. Why are you so intent on making trans kids suffer so that people can grow up wanting sex? Ofc hormones alter people's bodies and minds but that is not a negative thing, it's someone's choice.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (48 children)

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[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago* (44 children)

I forgot to ask this earlier: If you really believe that most trans adults agree with you that

People do not necessarily need or desire "full sexual function"

And you truly are convinced that the children subjected to "gender affirming" medical interventions that will leave without sexual function will grow up to have no regrets about it -

Then how do you account for the fact that thousands of adults in countries such as Sweden, Germany and Japan have sued and obtained compensation for being required to give up their capacity to reproduce as part of their own gender transitions that they underwent as adults?

How do you account for the fact that the one thing most "trans men" get in the news for is for having babies? If sexual function wasn't important to them, how come so many trans men are hell-bent on reproducing? How do you account for the fact that a great number of young "trans women" today say they want biological children too, and many prominent ones like Gigi Gorgeous and Blaire White have openly expressed regret and grief that they did not bank sperm before they started taking T suppressants and messing with their endocrine systems?

How do you respond to the fact that many people who have no interest in having children ever when they are in their teens and 20s find that in their 30s they feel totally differently?

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Then how do you account for the fact that thousands of adults in countries such as Sweden, Germany and Japan have sued and obtained compensation for being required to give up their capacity to reproduce as part of their own gender transitions that they underwent as adults?

Isn't that because those countries used to require sterilization to transition legally? Yeah that's awful, and I wouldn't even say they had free choice in that. But that's different than freely choosing transition knowing it will lead to loss of fertility. They made that choice, it is not a doctor's job to predict with certainty where your mind will be in the far future. It's the same logic that doctors use to misogynistically deny tubal ligation or hysterectomies to young women. No other condition is treated this way as far as I know, nowhere else do we withhold treatment just because of the mere possibility of regret.

How do you respond to the fact that many people who have no interest in having children ever when they are in their teens and 20s find that in their 30s they feel totally differently?

People can change their mind, so what? That can literally happen with anything, they should take responsibility for their choices. If they chose not to bank sperm years ago when they had the option then that's no one's fault but their own. All dysphoric people deserve support in the present, whether they've transitioned or detransitioned or anything in between. But acting like woe is you because you didn't foresee the potential consequences of your actions doesn't entitle you to control others' choices.

Yeah, it's possible that in 10 years I'll regret getting an orchiectomy or transitioning. I doubt it, because the idea of having biological kids makes me want to vomit, but yeah it's at least vaguely possible. But if that happens I'll handle it then, and if I have regret it won't be any different than like, deciding not to go to grad school, or whether or not to stay together with a partner. All decisions that greatly affect someone's life trajectory and experience.

I don't see you rushing to try and prevent people from making literally any other kind of choice they might regret later, so you shouldn't for people transitioning either.

Also, even though I think I'll be too old by the time it's ready, young trans women may be able to receive a womb transplant in the future which could also eliminate the need to bank sperm at all

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago* (0 children)

But that's different than freely choosing transition knowing it will lead to loss of fertility. They made that choice, it is not a doctor's job to predict with certainty where your mind will be in the far future.

How can someone "freely choose" to lose their own fertility when they are still a child, tween or teenager?

It's the same logic that doctors use to misogynistically deny tubal ligation or hysterectomies to young women. No other condition is treated this way as far as I know, nowhere else do we withhold treatment just because of the mere possibility of regret.

But there are many reasons why doctors are cautious in these situations; it's not just a matter of misogyny. Fact is, lots of women who don't want kids in their teens and 20s decide differently when they are older. I personally didn't want children until I was 33. Also, hysterectomy is a major operation with myriad lifelong impacts on women's health.

You are totally wrong about no other conditions being approached with so much caution. Most medical practitioners and health insurance companies require patients to try all the treatments that are the least radical, least invasive, least costly, with the lowest rates of negative effects first - and only if they have ALL failed to bring about marked improvement is the patient allowed to try more radical, invasive and risky approaches. Even in cases where life is at risk, such as cancers, doctors advise and use caution when it comes to treatments that can leave a young person infertile. Even when people are in the end stages of terminal illness, caution is exercised about using drugs and other interventions that are unproven and have many negative "side effects."

People can change their mind, so what? That can literally happen with anything, they should take responsibility for their choices. If they chose not to bank sperm years ago when they had the option then that's no one's fault but their own.

But what about all the people who will never get the option to bank sperm or retrieve and freeze eggs because their parents and doctors decided to use drugs to halt their development before they reach the age when they are able to make sperm - or to make mature ova?

Are you really so cruel that you would tell Jazz Jennings or Trinity Neal, "So what? You made your choices. It's no fault but your own." Do you really think they should take responsibility for what was done to them when they were 11 and 12? Jazz and Trinity were were forced into adopting a trans identity as toddlers and put on "blockers" at Tanner Stage 2. Do you seriously think they freely chose what was done to them? BTW, now that Trinity's two younger male siblings have also been decreed trans by their mom, they're probably going to be put on "blockers" as soon as they start puberty - and mom will probably arrange for them to have their testicles removed and penises reconfigured at 16, the age when she had it done to Trinity. You really would tell these people when they grow up and have misgivings to suck it up because in your opinion, having healthy genitals and being able to enjoy sex not only are unimportant, but they make YOU personally uncomfortable - and as YOU see it, being able to reproduce is not only over-rated, the very thought of having children makes YOU "want to vomit." Then once the knife is in, are you going to twist it further by pronouncing that what happened to them as children was their own their fault anyways?

I don't see you rushing to try and prevent people from making literally any other kind of choice they might regret later, so you shouldn't for people transitioning either.

You have no idea what I do in my life, LOL. But as someone who has raised children, and been in education, I definitely have shared information and offered the benefit of my experience (and wisdom) in hopes that it would help stop some others from doing things to their bodies that they might regret later. As a parent, I also had to say "no" when an adolescent child who needed surgery for a health problem was in such a rush to get the health problem fixed right away that he wanted to go with the first surgeon we consulted who could do it - even though that surgeon was a) not well qualified; and b) would have used a radical surgical approach that was experimental, without an evidence base, and likely would have led to diminished sexual function. I had to put my foot down and tell my child that when you get medical care, you get second opinions - and when you get surgery you go to the very best surgeon you can find, even if this means waiting a while, extra expense and the inconvenience of traveling. In my own case, when I had a serious problem with chronic gynecological/pelvic pain, I traveled 3,000 miles to get surgery from the best specialist in female pelvic pain and endometriosis I thought there was - David Redwine.

As a parent, I have also taken action more times that I can count to prevent my children - and their friends when in my care - from making many other kinds of choices I thought they might regret later on. Such as putting things in their mouth they could choke on, eating all their Halloween candy in one sitting, snorting soda pop up their noses, not doing their homework or leaving their homework to the last minute, not studying for exams, refusing to brush their teeth, getting behind the wheel of a car when drunk or stoned, watching horror movies when high on hallucinogens, joining the military, running off and eloping, not using contraception when engaging in heterosex, being cavalier about STDs, trying out heroin to see what it's like to shoot up, agreeing to cockamamie plans and schemes their friends cooked up, blowing all their hard-earned wages on passing pleasures and cheap thrills, getting a lot of visible tattoos/ink sleeves, investing money in dodgy ventures, getting involved romantically with people they only met online who might have been catfishers, and engaging in activities things that can impair male fertility.

young trans women may be able to receive a womb transplant in the future which could also eliminate the need to bank sperm at all

Huh? Even if someone did somehow implant a uterus in a human male body, and the person wanted to try to use that uterus to gestate a child, pregnancy still would require the merging of male and female gametes. So if such a person didn't bank their sperm, they'd need to get both eggs AND sperm from other people. I don't get why someone such as yourself would want to become pregnant with a child who is not biologically related to them. Were you under the impression that uteruses come stocked with eggs?

Also, even if someone male did manage to get a uterus implanted, and got doctors to create embryos via IVF, there's no way a pregnancy could occur and be successful. First of all, how exactly would the embryo(s) get inside the uterus? Where would the uterus get the signals and biochemicals needed to create the new lining, and bring about all the changes in the uterine tissue and environment, to allow for implantation and the development of a placenta? No way that a pregnancy could come about, much less continue to full viability, without female genes, female immune function, a female endocrine system, female kidney function, a female pelvis and skeletal structure, female internal anatomy, etc. Even if a male pelvis could somehow accommodate the size of a uterus as it grows over the course of pregnancy, a male circulatory system and male kidneys could not handle the job of processing and cleansing all the extra fluid volume.

The considerably larger size of the other male organs - and the way they are suspended inside the abdomen and torso - would get in the way of the expanding uterus, too. One of the reasons women have much smaller hearts, lungs and livers is to allow room for pregnancy - and our internal organs are more mobile than male internal organs are too, which allows them actually to move out of the way of the growing uterus when we are pregnant.

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